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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:05 pm

Catholic officials warn ex-seminarians over sex claims
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Catholic officials in Italy have threatened former altar boys of the pope with criminal defamation charges for having publicly accused an older seminarian of sexual misconduct when they lived together at the youth seminary inside the Vatican gardens.

Church lawyers in the diocese of Como have also warned an Italian investigative news program against broadcasting the boys' claims and have purportedly pressed a church official to recant his suggestion of a cover-up.

The response is indicative of how the allegations of gay sex among altar boys inside the Vatican walls have touched a raw nerve in the Vatican and the Italian church. The reaction has been particularly acute within a small Catholic association, the Opera Don Folci, which runs the St. Pius X preseminary in a palazzo just steps away from where Pope Francis lives.

About a dozen boys, some as young as 13, live in the residence and serve as altar boys for papal Masses in St. Peter's Basilica.

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The student's roommate, Kamil Jarzembowski, said he witnessed dozens of incidents, first denouncing them to seminary officials, and then in writing to cardinals and finally the pope in 2014. Church officials say internal church investigations were conducted, though initially not interviewing the boys in question, and the claims were determined to be false.

The accused seminarian, meanwhile, was ordained a priest earlier this year.

None of the accusers continued on to the priesthood.

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Post by Witness » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:43 am

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U.S. prelate McCarrick resigns from College of Cardinals

VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis has accepted U.S. prelate Theodore McCarrick’s offer to resign from the College of Cardinals following allegations of sexual abuse, including one involving an 11-year-old boy, and ordered him to conduct a “life of prayer and penance” in a home to be designated by the pontiff until a church trial is held, the Vatican said Saturday.

Francis acted swiftly after receiving McCarrick’s letter of resignation Friday evening, after recent weeks have brought a spate of allegations that the 88-year-old prelate in the course of his distinguished clerical career had sexually abused both boys and adult seminarians. The revelations posed a test to the pontiff’s recently declared resolve to battle what he called a “culture of cover-up” of similar abuse in the Catholic’s church’s hierarchy.

McCarrick has been removed from public ministry since June 20, pending a full investigation into allegations he fondled a teenager over 40 years ago in New York City. A man, who was 11 at the time of the first alleged instance of abuse, says a sexually abusive relationship continued for two more decades. McCarrick has denied the initial allegation.
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Post by Witness » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:11 am

Chile's national prosecutor requesting Vatican sex abuse files

SANTIAGO (Reuters) - Chile’s national prosecuting authority said on Wednesday that it had asked the government to submit a formal request to the Vatican for information about nine clergymen and lay workers who have been accused of sexual abuse of children.

The prosecuting authority said in a statement that national prosecutor Jorge Abbott had asked the foreign minister to enact three International Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters requests in relation to cases from the capital Santiago, the city of Valparaiso and the southern region of Araucania.

It said it could submit additional requests in the future.

“The document was sent confidentially through the Unit of International Cooperation and Extraditions of the National Prosecutor’s Office to Chile’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs so that it can send the referral to the Vatican through diplomatic channels,” the prosecutor’s office said.

Chilean authorities have raided a number of Roman Catholic Church offices in Chile as part of investigations into accusations by prosecutors and victims groups that Church authorities covered-up or failed to properly investigate abuse.

The prosecutor’s office said on Wednesday that it was investigating 38 accusations of sexual abuse against 73 bishops, clerics and lay workers in the Roman Catholic Church, involving 104 victims, most of whom were underage at the time of the alleged abuse.
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Post by Witness » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:35 am

Just to be evenhanded with all Religions©:
St. Louis Park rabbi arrested in underage sex sting operation

The rabbi, a director of youth outreach, was arrested in a sting leading up to the Super Bowl.
http://www.startribune.com/st-louis-par ... 489947281/ for details.
Church Sides with Pastor Charged with Sexual Abuse of a Child
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/withoutacr ... f-a-child/ for the usual cover-up.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:13 am

We know the clergy in general are particularly susceptible to sex crimes, but when it's a rabbi or a preacher it's just a tale of a particular congregation that could fire him if they wanted to (and usually do).

The Roman Catholic Church is still the world's oldest and largest rape conspiracy.
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Post by ed » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:28 am

Don't get this bit
ordered him to conduct a “life of prayer and penance”
This is a crime, not a case of not genuflecting in front of the altar. How is it that the Pope is not arrested for obstruction?
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:02 pm

ed wrote:
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Don't get this bit
ordered him to conduct a “life of prayer and penance”
This is a crime, not a case of not genuflecting in front of the altar. How is it that the Pope is not arrested for obstruction?
Because he is a head of state.

Because the world's oldest and largest rape conspiracy is a sovereign nation, sort of.

I suppose someone could do to him like Bush the First did to Noriega. 8)
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Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:51 pm

ed wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:28 am
Don't get this bit
ordered him to conduct a “life of prayer and penance”
This is a crime, not a case of not genuflecting in front of the altar. How is it that the Pope is not arrested for obstruction?
The Vatican is treated as a sovereign state and the pope is the head of state.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:10 pm

Because Mussolini wanted to normalize relations with a rival claimant to Rome before conquering Africa. 8)
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Post by ed » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:26 pm

OK then. What about every person under him who abetted the crime (alleged)?
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:06 pm

OK. What about them?
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Post by ed » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:12 pm

We need Mueller
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Post by Witness » Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:19 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
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The Vatican is treated as a sovereign state and the pope is the head of state.
From Wikipedia:
The Italian Government has a treaty with the Vatican that guarantees areas of immunity to Vatican officials, including bishops and priests. This has made it difficult to get accurate figures as to how many priests and other religious officials are alleged to have committed sexual abuse.

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Post by Witness » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:29 am

‘They Hid It All’: Catholic Priests Abused 1,000 Children in Pennsylvania, Report Says

Bishops and other leaders of the Roman Catholic Church in Pennsylvania covered up child sexual abuse by more than 300 priests over a period of 70 years, persuading victims not to report the abuse and law enforcement not to investigate it, according to a searing report issued by a grand jury on Tuesday.

The report, which covered six of the state’s eight Catholic dioceses and found more than 1,000 identifiable victims, is the broadest examination yet by a government agency in the United States of child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church. The report said there are likely thousands more victims whose records were lost or who were too afraid to come forward.
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Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:36 am

300 priests in one state alone!! :-|

I mean, Jesus Ass-raping Christ people! :roll:

There's no way you can spin that as just "a few bad apples", it sounds like the whole barrel is rotten.
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Post by Doctor X » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:57 am

I had considered making the former and now current Head Cover-Upper the Fucking Asshole of the Week but that would seem to diminish their "achievements."

Meanwhile, the current Pope had a hand in the cover-ups.

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Post by Witness » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:18 am

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Chile's national prosecutor requesting Vatican sex abuse files
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Office of Military’s Catholic bishop raided as Chile digs deeper into sex abuse scandal

SANTIAGO – Authorities raided the office of the bishop to the armed services on Thursday as part of investigations into accusations that senior Roman Catholic Church officials covered up claims of sexual abuse by clergymen in Chile.

The raid on the office of Santiago Silva had been conducted by court order and authorized by the defense minister and the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, according to a provincial prosecutor leading the investigations.

Silva is also president of the Chilean bishops’ conference.
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Post by Witness » Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:18 am

Again for the sake of impartiality, from the Locarno film festival:
Special Jury Prize: "M"

At a first glance, the M under which symbol the French director and Special Jury Prize 2018 winner Yolande Zauberman presents her work, brings to mind the title of Fritz Lang's masterpiece, M - Eine Stadt sucht einen Mörder; and even if we are dealing here with a documentary, the resemblance is immediately revealing. M also tells of an investigation that crosses a whole city and a whole population; M, too, follows in the footsteps of a "monster" that strikes at children. However, it does not identify itself with a person: the "monster" recounted by Zauberman is the whole climate of repression and silence surrounding the child rape in the ultra-orthodox Jewish community of Bnei Brak, Israel. Menahem Lang, one who fled at the age of twenty after a childhood of abuse and followed by Zauberman's camera, conducts the enquiry and returns to the crime scenes and with poignant innocence interrogates strangers, acquaintances, friends, relatives, bringing to light the violence with disconcerting naturalness, and investigating with them the whole relationship of a community closed with its sexuality.
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Post by Witness » Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:38 am

Second cardinal withdraws from Ireland congress amid abuse scandals

DUBLIN (Reuters) - The Archbishop of Washington, Cardinal Donald Wuerl, withdrew on Saturday from next week’s World Meeting of Families in Dublin, the second senior cleric to pull out of the Roman Catholic event amid clerical sexual abuse scandals in the United States.

The meeting, a major congress held every three years, will be closed by Pope Francis during the first papal visit in almost 40 years to Ireland where a series of abuse scandals has also rocked the church’s standing in the once staunchly Catholic country.

The withdrawal from the Dublin event followed a bombshell grand jury report this week that detailed widespread abuse by hundreds of priests in Pennsylvania and a systematic cover-up campaign by their bishops over a 70-year period.

Wuerl, who was Bishop for the Diocese of Pittsburgh in western Pennsylvania from 1988 to 2006, has not himself been accused of any wrongdoing against children.

The report found that Wuerl notified the Vatican in 1989 of several priests who had been accused of sexually abusing children but that over subsequent years he granted requests by some to be reassigned to other parishes or to retire early, and in one case approved a loan to assist one such priest with personal debts.
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Post by Doctor X » Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:25 am

A leading papal diplomat’s bombshell letter accusing Pope Francis of overlooking sex abuse claims against ex-Cardinal Theodore McCarrick while reversing prior sanctions on him is being seen as a possible Vatican coup attempt against the reformist pope — while others say it undermines his legitimacy.

Former Holy See diplomat Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano released a letter late Saturday that states former Pope Benedict XVI had ordered McCarrick to cease public ministry amid sex abuse allegations, but that Francis in 2013 restored him.

The National Catholic Register and LifeSiteNews.com published the letter as the pope wrapped up a two-day visit to Ireland dominated by the clerical sex abuse scandal. Vigano, 77, urged the reformist pope with whom he’s publicly feuded to resign over the issue and what he called the “conspiracy of silence” about McCarrick.

“The corruption has reached the very top of the church’s hierarchy,” Vigano wrote.

“You make your own judgment,” Francis told press aboard his plane departing Ireland yesterday. “I will not say a single word about this.”

Some Catholic scholars question the motives behind Vigano’s inflammatory accusations, but also say the claims are deeply serious as scandal continues to wrack the Catholic Church.

“There are many things in Archbishop Vigano’s letter that are very disturbing, but also some unsupported statements and accusations that raise serious doubts,” Dr. Peter Steinfels, author and former co-director of the Fordham Center on Religion and Culture, told the Herald.

“But claims are either true or false regardless of the motives or partisan spirit that drive them.”

Thomas Groome, a former priest who’s now a professor at Boston College’s School of Theology and Ministry, said he does not find Vigano a credible source.

“Having been removed by Pope Francis, his critique may well be colored by some personal sentiments,” Groome told the Herald.

The Rev. James Weiss, a religious historian at Boston College, told the Herald there’s no evidence for many of Vigano’s claims.

This is about the most sinful thing a priest or a bishop could do at a time More "sinful" than raping children, apparently. when the church is rocked with uncertainty about this,” Weiss said.

“It is calculated to damage the church and he should lose his status as a bishop and a priest.”

But Bishop Joseph E. Strickland of Texas found the allegations in Vigano’s letter “credible,” and called for a “thorough investigation,” into the pope, according to LifeSiteNews.com.

Strickland told his diocesan priests to “include this notice in the Masses on August 26, and post it on their websites and other social media immediately.”

Vigano’s letter also mentions Boston’s Cardinal Sean P. O’Malley, Francis’ point man on the safety of children in the church.

O’Malley has become embroiled in scandal lately as other church officials have alleged he was warned about McCarrick and did nothing.

O’Malley countered with a statement blaming his executive secretary for not passing along the letter of warning.

“Regarding Cardinal Sean O’Malley, I would simply say that his latest statements on the McCarrick case are disconcerting, and have totally obscured his transparency and credibility,” Vigano wrote.

The Boston Archdiocese referred all comment on the Vigano letter to the Vatican.

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