Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank.

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Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank.

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Sat May 19, 2018 1:45 pm

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Grammatron wrote:AI has become the most bullshit terms used on the internet
It was a buzzword from the start.


IIRC it had a very specific meaning in the period before anyone claimed to be doing it.
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Postby Witness » Sat May 19, 2018 10:35 pm

Wikipedia wrote:Dartmouth Conference 1956: the birth of AI

The Dartmouth Conference of 1956 was organized by Marvin Minsky, John McCarthy and two senior scientists: Claude Shannon and Nathan Rochester of IBM. The proposal for the conference included this assertion: "every aspect of learning or any other feature of intelligence can be so precisely described that a machine can be made to simulate it". The participants included Ray Solomonoff, Oliver Selfridge, Trenchard More, Arthur Samuel, Allen Newell and Herbert A. Simon, all of whom would create important programs during the first decades of AI research. At the conference Newell and Simon debuted the "Logic Theorist" and McCarthy persuaded the attendees to accept "Artificial Intelligence" as the name of the field. The 1956 Dartmouth conference was the moment that AI gained its name, its mission, its first success and its major players, and is widely considered the birth of AI.

Smart people finding a flashy name for their research: $$$.

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Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank.

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Sat May 19, 2018 10:59 pm

Witness wrote:Smart people finding a flashy name for their research: $$$.


Indeed. But it still had a real meaning despite the sexy name.

And by that meaning, we're not there yet.
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Postby Witness » Sun May 20, 2018 1:10 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:And by that meaning, we're not there yet.
Sure. But I'd wager that one day the various AI threads – speech, translation, simulation, driving, navigation, robotics, military, games, data mining, vision, &c. – will come together (perhaps even suddenly come together) and we're in for a surprise.

Can be in 100+ years, of course.

Here's an interesting vision application (the media aren't fake enough :mrgreen: ):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg0F5JjKmhA

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Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank.

Postby Rob Lister » Sun May 20, 2018 10:55 am

Witness wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:And by that meaning, we're not there yet.
Sure. But I'd wager that one day the various AI threads – speech, translation, simulation, driving, navigation, robotics, military, games, data mining, vision, &c. – will come together (perhaps even suddenly come together) and we're in for a surprise.


Judea Pearl opines that all of those things represent, to one degree or another, nothing more than curve fitting. It's only half the problem. It's the how without the why. True AI requires the why.

To Build Truly Intelligent Machines, Teach Them Cause and Effect

Judea Pearl, a pioneering figure in artificial intelligence, argues that AI has been stuck in a decades-long rut. His prescription for progress? machines to understand the question why.
https://www.quantamagazine.org/to-build ... -20180515/

A very worthy read. Notable snip ...
I felt an apostate when I developed powerful tools for prediction and diagnosis knowing already that this is merely the tip of human intelligence. If we want machines to reason about interventions (“What if we ban cigarettes?”) and introspection (“What if I had finished high school?”), we must invoke causal models. Associations are not enough — and this is a mathematical fact, not opinion.

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Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank.

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:38 pm

Uh oh. More racist AI.

I'm sure Google didn't do this on purpose.

When It Comes to Gorillas, Google Photos Remains Blind
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In 2015, a black software developer embarrassed Google by tweeting that the company’s Photos service had labeled photos of him with a black friend as “gorillas.” Google declared itself “appalled and genuinely sorry.” An engineer who became the public face of the clean-up operation said the label gorilla would no longer be applied to groups of images, and that Google was “working on longer-term fixes.”

More than two years later, one of those fixes is erasing gorillas, and some other primates, from the service’s lexicon. The awkward workaround illustrates the difficulties Google and other tech companies face in advancing image-recognition technology, which the companies hope to use in self-driving cars, personal assistants, and other products.

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Be that as it may, I just did a Google Image search on "gorilla" and yields apparently OK results.
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