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http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/top ... IC_ID=2811

My wife ran across it and called me at work. So I registered and posted to it.
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Luke T. wrote:http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/top ... IC_ID=2811

My wife ran across it and called me at work. So I registered and posted to it.
Interesting thread (and site) LukeT. Perhaps most poignant is the respect expressed for Randi over there; what a shame it's all ended up this way. Not that I'm criticising this site, thumbs up and thanks to Girl6. :D
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Luke T. wrote:http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/top ... IC_ID=2811

My wife ran across it and called me at work. So I registered and posted to it.
Have you changed your position on discussing the JREF on other forums? I see you have decided to post a long story of what, why and how the JREF came to split. I will go back and read it later, just wanted to take a pause and ask you the question.

edited to add: I am glad to see that my name didn't get mentioned in your story. I have to wonder if the details you shared about Hal's flirt with self-destruction were necessary, but too late. It's out there now.
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Went to the site. Nice post, Luke. I appreciate your candor and accurate recounting of the events at JREF. It sucks that the community has been scattered to the winds. I feel like I made some cherished friends there and that I may no longer have any contact with many of them.

I don't know where I belong in cyberspace anymore, or if I belong at all.

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tamiO wrote:
Luke T. wrote:http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/top ... IC_ID=2811

My wife ran across it and called me at work. So I registered and posted to it.
Have you changed your position on discussing the JREF on other forums?
My position?
I see you have decided to post a long story of what, why and how the JREF came to split. I will go back and read it later, just wanted to take a pause and ask you the question.

edited to add: I am glad to see that my name didn't get mentioned in your story. I have to wonder if the details you shared about Hal's flirt with self-destruction were necessary, but too late. It's out there now.
Like I said, anyone is free to quote me, and I stand by what I said.

edited to add: And it will help satisfy Hal's martyr complex.
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I register'd there--no, hold your applause--and will comment a bit on the situation at JREF.

Basically, it is a shame what happened, but it was something that was happening at least since I started at JREF.

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. . . of course I am too stupid to register with the correct e-mail. . . .

Sigh

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I've been registered over there for a year or so. I don't go there often, because there never seemed to be enough activity there, compared to JREF.

The folks always seemed nice though. Maybe they will pick up a few JREF'ers from this.
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Luke T. wrote:
tamiO wrote:
Have you changed your position on discussing the JREF on other forums?
My position?
I thought it was your complaint at TOOP that people should get over TOP and not post about it. Sorry, I was must have been mistaken. :D
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tamiO wrote:
Luke T. wrote:
tamiO wrote:
Have you changed your position on discussing the JREF on other forums?
My position?
I thought it was your complaint at TOOP that people should get over TOP and not post about it. Sorry, I was must have been mistaken. :D
I don't want people to get over TOP. I would like the protest movement to stay alive until Hal resigns once and for all.

My complaint at TOOP was that there were too many topics about TOP and they were dominating the front page. So far, this is the only one about TOP here.
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Luke T. wrote:
tamiO wrote:
Luke T. wrote:
tamiO wrote:
Have you changed your position on discussing the JREF on other forums?
My position?
I thought it was your complaint at TOOP that people should get over TOP and not post about it. Sorry, I was must have been mistaken. :D
I don't want people to get over TOP. I would like the protest movement to stay alive until Hal resigns once and for all.

My complaint at TOOP was that there were too many topics about TOP and they were dominating the front page. So far, this is the only one about TOP here.
What's to be gained by protesting until Hal resigns? Nothing, and the JREF would lose in the long run as well as the short run.

Damn few people have the whole story about what happened. I sure don't. True, I voiced my disagreements, but I don't think it's worth a "protest movement". The JREF did what it did, and here we are. I think it's about time to bury all hatchets and stop the skeptic vs. skeptic infighting.

Why keep using euphemisms for The JREF Forum? "The Other Place" is what we used to call Hell, back when we were kids in Sunday school. :roll: Anybody offended by the words "The JREF Forum" can go suck an egg. Or blow an egg, if they swing that way.
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For me, TOP is just a convenient acronym.
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Pyrrho wrote:Why keep using euphemisms for The JREF Forum? "The Other Place" is what we used to call Hell, back when we were kids in Sunday school. :roll: Anybody offended by the words "The JREF Forum" can go suck an egg. Or blow an egg, if they swing that way.
Also, in the UK Parliament, "the Other Place" is what the House of Lords is always called in the House of Commons.

So I always thought that calling the JREF forum "the Other Place" is pretty amusing and ironic given recent events.
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Pyrrho wrote: What's to be gained by protesting until Hal resigns? Nothing, and the JREF would lose in the long run as well as the short run.

Damn few people have the whole story about what happened. I sure don't. True, I voiced my disagreements, but I don't think it's worth a "protest movement". The JREF did what it did, and here we are. I think it's about time to bury all hatchets and stop the skeptic vs. skeptic infighting.
I agree. If you want to protest the former managements actions, just don't buy into their harebrained idea of having split forums. We have everything we need here, minus the overly-strict headmaster. Don't contribute your intellectual property to their organization.

I'm doing what I can to get my friends and favorite posters to move over here, I encourage others to do the same.
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EvilYeti wrote: I agree. If you want to protest the former managements actions, just don't buy into their harebrained idea of having split forums. We have everything we need here, minus the overly-strict headmaster. Don't contribute your intellectual property to their organization.
Let's see, I can discuss anything I want here among intelligent friends, or I can be part of Biosphere III. Hmm, let me think about it.

I was dubious until I knew G6 was running things. Now that the forums here are set up, I personally see no need to keep a foot on the dock and a foot on the boat.
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EvilYeti wrote: Don't contribute your intellectual property to their organization.
I still support the JREF, IMO it's petty to ignore them and self-defeating to the cause of skepticism. I generally post to any topic anywhere that moves me to.

SkepticalCommunity.com is what you make of it. To me it's another voice in a rising chorus.
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tamiO wrote:
EvilYeti wrote: Don't contribute your intellectual property to their organization.
I still support the JREF, IMO it's petty to ignore them and self-defeating to the cause of skepticism. I generally post to any topic anywhere that moves me to.

SkepticalCommunity.com is what you make of it. To me it's another voice in a rising chorus.
Why should I post on JREF? With every post I make, I have to worry about Hal sitting there with his Non-JREF-Worthy hammer in one hand and the server power cord in the other, and his lackey Bill Hoyt waiting with his finger poised over the REPORT button. I wouldn't be surprised if they turn on the function that requires a moderator to read and approve your post before it shows up on the forum before too long.

Screw that!
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Ive been a member there since mid 02...

Not enough kookballs...

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De_Bunk wrote:Ive been a member there since mid 02...

Not enough kookballs...

DB
This link is just for you, De_Bunk. Take a look at who the newest member is:

http://web.archive.org/web/200202042118 ... matebb.cgi
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Luke T. wrote:
Why should I post on JREF? With every post I make, I have to worry about Hal sitting there with his Non-JREF-Worthy hammer in one hand and the server power cord in the other, and his lackey Bill Hoyt waiting with his finger poised over the REPORT button. I wouldn't be surprised if they turn on the function that requires a moderator to read and approve your post before it shows up on the forum before too long.

Screw that!
I honestly don't think it's going to be that draconian. If it is, then having perfectly fine posts be rejected will only make the admin/moderater look bad. I understand how you feel, though, you had to keep a lot bottled up for a long time being a moderator there. I am glad you snapped out of your military mind. :)

I had this weird idea... do you think Bill Hoyt could actually be Bill O'Reilly? :D
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tamiO wrote: idea... do you think Bill Hoyt could actually be Bill O'Reilly? :D
Oh God, I hope so. I'd love to think I've been kicking Bill O'Reilly's butt all over the place all this time.
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I think tamiO is probably right here.

The fact is that the vast majority of posts and threads over at TOP were interesting, reasonable, polite (maybe that's a stretch) and associated with the JREF mission if part of the JREF mission is meant to be the encouragement of critical thinking.

So despite all of Hal's strange pronouncements and actions if the forum is to survive at all as a place for intellectual exchange and the encouragement of critical thinking he can't and won't make many substantive changes (except of course for eliminating a few sub fora, most notably community). And whatever changes he makes they are all ones that could have been made by tweaking the in place moderation and without any big shakeup announcements excoriating comments.

There seem to have been two main precipitating events that were used as the justification for major changes.

The bad taste joke about the Iraqi prisoners - This was already censored by the administrator. How is Hal going to improve on this?

The libel against Randi - OK, maybe JREF would have preferred if the post had been censored immediately and the poster banned immediately. This also could have been accomplished easily by tweaking the moderation guidelines and no major change was required. As an aside to this, Randi is slandered in a similar way in numerous web sites, so in the end the posting of the libel on the Randi site, a place where it would be certain to receive reasoned condemnation is unlikely to do more harm than its existence on numerous other sites where it goes unchallenged.

So in the end I think tamiO will be right, the O forum and the old forum will be largely indistinguishable except that there will be no community and a lot of posters will have just left because they don't want to experience all the crap that seems to occur over there periodically as the forum is badgered by an administrator that excoriates it and its participants, claims he will never take part in it again and threatens to destroy it in various ways periodically
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Luke..

Sorry, i meant "Skeptic Friends"

I been two and a half years...man and boy at the JREF..

:D

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tamiO wrote:
Luke T. wrote:
Why should I post on JREF? With every post I make, I have to worry about Hal sitting there with his Non-JREF-Worthy hammer in one hand and the server power cord in the other, and his lackey Bill Hoyt waiting with his finger poised over the REPORT button. I wouldn't be surprised if they turn on the function that requires a moderator to read and approve your post before it shows up on the forum before too long.

Screw that!
I honestly don't think it's going to be that draconian. If it is, then having perfectly fine posts be rejected will only make the admin/moderater look bad. I understand how you feel, though, you had to keep a lot bottled up for a long time being a moderator there. I am glad you snapped out of your military mind. :)

I had this weird idea... do you think Bill Hoyt could actually be Bill O'Reilly? :D
My point is that all of the crap going on at JREF is not going on here. So why bother posting there when we have far more freedom and community spirit here? If I'm going to click between two forums, it will be here and renata's forum. JREF is headed for extinction unless Hal comes to his senses and realizes he will have to let things go back to the way they were.

I'm not holding my breath.
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How interesting.


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robinson wrote:How interesting.


Glad to hear G6 is admining at the new board, she's always seemed level headed and savvy when dealing with people.
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Your point is what?
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He is a true troll who is upset no one is feeding him?

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Ya have to read the thread

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Luke T. wrote:
My point is that all of the crap going on at JREF is not going on here. So why bother posting there when we have far more freedom and community spirit here? If I'm going to click between two forums, it will be here and renata's forum. JREF is headed for extinction unless Hal comes to his senses and realizes he will have to let things go back to the way they were.

I'm not holding my breath.
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SC is still going, even if there isn't a single female left.

JREF forum is long gone
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Doctor X wrote: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:37 am He is a true troll who is upset no one is feeding him?

--J.D.
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robinson wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:28 pm SC is still going, even if there isn't a single female left.
I think Bruce still counts.
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But only to 5 Listy. :rimshot:

And I was sorry just as soon as I posted that Bruce and I beg your pardon sir. It's just that I'm a complete cunt for a comedic door that is that wide open... :) Can't resist it. Psychiatrist is working on it. (still fumbling for the right combo of meds actually in an attempt to crush my perverse ego once and for all)
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