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With two different new shows going on and a handful on deck, seems like a fine time to give this one a bump. Anyone got any more questions?
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How long before they realize left wing sentiment does not make up for it sucking?

Please note, TOS was heavy on the left wing sentiment and wouldn't have been as good if they had toned it down.

Left wing sentiment is absolutely not a problem at all, it is merely that it also has to not suck.
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How long before they realize left wing sentiment does not make up for it sucking?
Well, it is about the future.
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I have a question: How is this disguise fooling anyone?

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Anaxagoras wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:07 am I have a question: How is this disguise fooling anyone?

:notsure:
I know, she's not exactly hiding her most recognizable features.

Ok, my answer to the real question about Picard's disguise--I consider it a visual conceit for the audience, like being able to see the energy beams in space. It must be presumed that he is less recognizable to those present than his literal appearance would suggest. A fairly standard TV tradition even if it's a bit old. The Paper-Thin Disguise
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It's like Superman as Clark Kent. 8)

But it isn't Star Trek. :p
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Abdul Alhazred wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:30 pm How long before they realize left wing sentiment does not make up for it sucking?

Please note, TOS was heavy on the left wing sentiment and wouldn't have been as good if they had toned it down.

Left wing sentiment is absolutely not a problem at all, it is merely that it also has to not suck.
For the creators to intend the political values to make up for the suck, would require them realizing the level of suck.

Now, that said, I'm still interested in where things wind up. Discovery has taken a premise for season 3 that has a lot of potential, and Season 2 was already a good deal better than season 1. Picard's season 1 is also better than Discovery season 1, despite its flaws.

It is worth remembering that (TOS aside) the first seasons of a Trek installment are usually the weakest.
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CL00: Making the bug eyed monster look like Trump sucks as political commentary let alone science fiction.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:55 am CL00: Making the bug eyed monster look like Trump sucks as political commentary let alone science fiction.
Did they actually do that?
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Anaxagoras wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:07 pm
Abdul Alhazred wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:55 am CL00: Making the bug eyed monster look like Trump sucks as political commentary let alone science fiction.
Did they actually do that?
If there was a bug-eyed monster in any current Trek I didn't notice.
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I've been rewatching ST:TNG and I think what stood out for me the most is lack of any drone use or even probe use in plots. Even when sending Data would be prudent a team of living beings is sent instead.

Is there ever a reason given for aversion to the use of robots?
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Grammatron wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:20 pm I've been rewatching ST:TNG and I think what stood out for me the most is lack of any drone use or even probe use in plots. Even when sending Data would be prudent a team of living beings is sent instead.

Is there ever a reason given for aversion to the use of robots?
There are certain Asimov stories where the galactic empire's lack of robots is explained as the result of superstition.

In some of the later stories, this is retconned so that the robots hiding in the background pulling the strings are encouraging that superstition.

Maybe something like that, unexplained because the people of the Star Trek era simply take it for granted that the robot thing is "not done". :coolspecs:

Could be some evil empire of Star Trek's past made extensive use of robots, pretty much souring everybody on the whole robot business.

Anton Coridian's regime, or that of Donald Trump. :BigGrin3:
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Abdul Alhazred wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:25 pm
Grammatron wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:20 pm I've been rewatching ST:TNG and I think what stood out for me the most is lack of any drone use or even probe use in plots. Even when sending Data would be prudent a team of living beings is sent instead.

Is there ever a reason given for aversion to the use of robots?
There are certain Asimov stories where the galactic empire's lack of robots is explained as the result of superstition.

In some of the later stories, this is retconned so that the robots hiding in the background pulling the strings are encouraging that superstition.

Maybe something like that, unexplained because the people of the Star Trek era simply take it for granted that the robot thing is "not done". :coolspecs:

Could be some evil empire of Star Trek's past made extensive use of robots, pretty much souring everybody on the whole robot business.

Anton Coridian's regime, or that of Donald Trump. :BigGrin3:
The Foundation series --however you want to incorporate prequels, sequels, etc.. -- has clear reasons for not using robots.

I have not perceive the same reasons in Star Trek. In fact they send probes out all the time, just less than they should. Sometimes taking the Enterprise or shuttles into incredible danger where a disposable probe would have been perfectly safe and proper to use.
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Grammatron wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:20 pm I've been rewatching ST:TNG and I think what stood out for me the most is lack of any drone use or even probe use in plots. Even when sending Data would be prudent a team of living beings is sent instead.

Is there ever a reason given for aversion to the use of robots?
Because they had rights. Obviously.
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Hotarubi wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:36 pm
Grammatron wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:20 pm I've been rewatching ST:TNG and I think what stood out for me the most is lack of any drone use or even probe use in plots. Even when sending Data would be prudent a team of living beings is sent instead.

Is there ever a reason given for aversion to the use of robots?
Because they had rights. Obviously.
Considering how many times Federation scientists wanted to take Data apart, they had "rights" at best.
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Grammatron wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:41 pm
Hotarubi wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:36 pm
Grammatron wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:20 pm I've been rewatching ST:TNG and I think what stood out for me the most is lack of any drone use or even probe use in plots. Even when sending Data would be prudent a team of living beings is sent instead.

Is there ever a reason given for aversion to the use of robots?
Because they had rights. Obviously.
Considering how many times Federation scientists wanted to take Data apart, they had "rights" at best.
Didn't Leodegrance of Sunstone help establish those rights in the second series?
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Doctor X wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:09 am Cameliard! Cameliard!

– J. "For it is the Doom of Men that They Forget!" D.
Never did quite fathom Boorman's insistance on using Wagner and Orff in a film about an English King. Works though. Boy does it work.

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Wait, are you saying that sending an away team consisting of all the senior officers (and one yeoman) is not standard naval policy when reaching an unknown, possibly hostile shore ?