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Doctor X wrote:Majel Barret who would become Majel Roddenberry and also Nurse, later Dr. Chapel.

She and Nimoy are the two actors to exist in all of the Classic Treks. Spock is the only character to do so as well--this includes the second pilot that was accepted for Classic Trek. I do not count The Menagerie since it was an incorporation of the first pilot into a two-part episode.

--J.D.
She was also the voice of the computer on that abortion known as Star Trek Voyager.

Except for when Jeri Ryan was added to the cast. Those were OK.
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NightG1 wrote:
Doctor X wrote:Majel Barret who would become Majel Roddenberry and also Nurse, later Dr. Chapel.

She and Nimoy are the two actors to exist in all of the Classic Treks. Spock is the only character to do so as well--this includes the second pilot that was accepted for Classic Trek. I do not count The Menagerie since it was an incorporation of the first pilot into a two-part episode.

--J.D.
She was also the voice of the computer on that abortion known as Star Trek Voyager.

Except for when Jeri Ryan was added to the cast. Those were OK.
Until Enterprise, she had a part in EVERY incarnation of Trek.

She was also the gust of honor at the very first con I ever attended.
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Speaking of cons..

So gnome, I presume you attend cons on occasion at least, who is your favorite con guest? And least favorite? Mine is John DeLancie hands down. The funny thing is, he hardly talks Trek at all, but he is a fascinating and funny speaker.

The worst was the guy that plays Chakotay. Zzzzzzzzz........
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NightG1 wrote:
Doctor X wrote:Majel Barret who would become Majel Roddenberry and also Nurse, later Dr. Chapel.

She and Nimoy are the two actors to exist in all of the Classic Treks. Spock is the only character to do so as well--this includes the second pilot that was accepted for Classic Trek. I do not count The Menagerie since it was an incorporation of the first pilot into a two-part episode.

--J.D.
She was also the voice of the computer on that abortion known as Star Trek Voyager.

Except for when Jeri Ryan was added to the cast. Those were OK.
I'm pretty sure she was always the computer on TOS too.

Oh god, not again. I swear I'm not one of THOSE. I ain't no Trekkie, not since I was about 12.

CH
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Nyarlathotep wrote:Speaking of cons..

So gnome, I presume you attend cons on occasion at least, who is your favorite con guest? And least favorite? Mine is John DeLancie hands down. The funny thing is, he hardly talks Trek at all, but he is a fascinating and funny speaker.

The worst was the guy that plays Chakotay. Zzzzzzzzz........
I do attend cons now and then, though I haven't been to many geared only to Trek. I haven't happened to attend any of the public appearances of a Trek actor, believe it or not. Though, I saw the back of Avery Brooks' head once as he left a signing session at a Vulkon.

My regular con is one in Tampa called Necronomicon. Used to be a fair amount of Star Trek stuff going on, but last year there was nary a Klingon in sight.

Typical comment from me: "Michael Dorn's here? Totally missed that."
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Cool Hand wrote:
I'm pretty sure she was always the computer on TOS too.
I think she was for all the series.
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Feel like resurrecting a thread today... anyone else got any more Trek conundrums?
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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The name of the chick that fought with Kirk in the episode "Gamesters of ..." who went on to make hardcore porn. Also the last word of the title of the episode (Nyarl not eligible)

n.b. been waiting 8 years to ask that.
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Did the actress who played T'Pol ever get naked?
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ed wrote:The name of the chick that fought with Kirk in the episode "Gamesters of ..." who went on to make hardcore porn. Also the last word of the title of the episode (Nyarl not eligible)

n.b. been waiting 8 years to ask that.
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cheater.
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She was in repo man too.
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Rob Lister wrote:Did the actress who played T'Pol ever get naked?
It seems so, in the movie Slow Burn.

But if you see the clip, it's disappointing... because an unclothed Jolene Blalock is an uncostumed Jolene Blalock and then she's not T'Pol anymore, just another model showing some skin in a love scene with limbs and sheets and a dude's back and whatever always getting in the way, ohh saw a tit for a moment there, yippee. Meh.

If you want to perv on T'Pol the best way is to watch the episode where she goes into pon farr. Which is ridiculous because canonically it's a male phenomenon, but just the same the result is way sexier than anything she did undressed.
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"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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ed wrote:The name of the chick that fought with Kirk in the episode "Gamesters of ..." who went on to make hardcore porn. Also the last word of the title of the episode (Nyarl not eligible)

n.b. been waiting 8 years to ask that.
Jeez, everything so far this time is about porn and people getting naked... just go watch Fuck Trek: The Back Doorening or whatever, SMDH.

Ah well, can't judge... and I promised to answer anything. Someone already got this one though.
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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Someone actually wants to raise Star Trek and porn?

Oh and nothing is "canonical" in Star Trek. For years fools--including the "official hack" who novelized movies while penning now tragically clueless fantasies about her and Sulu--claimed Vulcans cannot lie.

Spock lied all the time in the Japanese Original Star Trek. There is a joking nod to the stupidity in the second--and best--movie where a horrified thin Kirstie Alley Savik accuses him: "You lied!" to which Spock responds, "I exaggerated."

Hell, Kim Cattrall lied all over the place in her movie.

Dirty . . . dirty . . . lies. . . .

As for Pon Far only happening to men? The whole point of that episode is Spock's arranged wife wants another man in her pants. A Romulan captain is seduced by Spock--he can fake it--and, of course, there are scenes between Cattrall and Nimoy which shows her character enjoys a healthy Daddy Fetish.

Now the problem is because of the level of censorship Roddenbury and the Rest considered it "challenge accepted!" to put sex in the show. Hence Kirk landing every Alien and Non-Alien Babe with scene of him putting his boot on whilst she is brushing her hair. So you do not actually see Spock Dance the Light Fantastic with the Romulan but it is clear they are not engaging in foreplay to Scrabble.

Pon Far just seemed like a cool idea: playing with the prejudice that Vulcans being all logical and "no emotion" tend to schedule sex between balancing their checkbooks and organizing their ear-socks. No, they go at it like rabid bunnies to the level that even Kirk would step back and say, "woah . . . dude!"

In other words, fans over-think these things.

That Girl from Farscape noted in a commentary that their ship--which was alive--had these cool but dangerous spider-like lights. "Could cut yourself on that!" Ben Browder explained that the original idea was to have them alive as well--like a benign parasite or symbiote. So you would be sitting in the dark and one of them would scurry up to give light. This was considered too complicated and time consuming to which Ben noted, "and then we'd be in a convention and someone would ask, 'Uh in episode 37 when you're on the planet, that light crawls outs but when you look at episode 103 it's back! What happened?'"

Or as Shatner put it: "Get a life!"

--J.D.
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Vonda Mcintyre... a very influential Trek writer, and probably the greatest source of "non canon" mistaken for canon-- like Savvik's half-Romulan ancestry.

My preferred approach is not to consider anything absolute, and just note where something comes from and go by how well it fits with other material.
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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I long suspected that Vonda was felating Roddenbury daily to "get the gig." His novelization of The Motionless Picture was not that bad given the material--or lack thereof. Should have gotten Allen Dean Foster. Vonda could not write about the feelings you get when falling if you tossed her out of an airplane.

It is kind of funny . . . novelizations . . . what is the point? It should be to give a bit more information and background, but it is usually just a money-grab. Foster's are interesting since his were based on early scripts so his The Thing is very different. Not as good as the eventual movie, but that is not his fault--they changed the plot substantially.

With Alien he retained some of the scenes cut like the cocooning of Dallas and Harry Dean Stanton. That was a "plot hole" in the movie.

Back to Trek, The Motionless Picture novelization brought out more of Kirk's issues with growing old, accepting promotion but feeling useless, and all of that which were eventually brought out in the second movie where the actors could actually play their characters. I sometimes think Lucas directed The Motionless Picture but there was no obviously racist stereotype in it that I can remember.

So I happily picked up the book for The Wrath of Khan . . . and tossed it away after about ten pages. Un . . . readable . . . drek.

--J.D.
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DocX: FTW. – sparks
"Doctor X wins again." – Pyrrho
"Never sorry to make a racist Fucktard cry." – His Humble MagNIfIcence
"It was the criticisms of Doc X, actually, that let me see more clearly how far the hypocrisy had gone." – clarsct
"I'd leave it up to Doctor X who has been a benevolent tyrant so far." – Grammatron
"Indeed you are a river to your people.
Shit. That's going to end up in your sig." – Pyrrho
"Try a twelve step program and accept Doctor X as your High Power." – asthmatic camel
"just like Doc X said." – gnome

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She was the first Trek novelist I found, I enjoyed it mainly for the additional tidbits of story included, sort of like watching deleted scenes... but especially after reading others I see the weaknesses.

Another one I used to like but I find almost unreadable now is Diane Duane.

Current favorites: Greg Cox and Peter David
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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Must admit I have not read nor watched Star Trek in a very long time--pretty much after the good movies--the last of which being Star Trek VI--because Kim Cattrall. One of the best cast of the films.

I use to love tormenting New Trek fans trying to make excuses for it. The good shows were old Trek shows regurgitated. I love Sir Patrick as an actor--watch him toss people off his castle defending his daughter's honor! "If a BOY has been CHOSEN! I BOY SHALL BE KING!" Awesome actor.

Series? Meh.

It is sort of like Bond for me--time to move on to something new.

--J.D.
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"Doctor X is just treating you the way he treats everyone--as subhuman crap too dumb to breathe in after you breathe out." – Don
DocX: FTW. – sparks
"Doctor X wins again." – Pyrrho
"Never sorry to make a racist Fucktard cry." – His Humble MagNIfIcence
"It was the criticisms of Doc X, actually, that let me see more clearly how far the hypocrisy had gone." – clarsct
"I'd leave it up to Doctor X who has been a benevolent tyrant so far." – Grammatron
"Indeed you are a river to your people.
Shit. That's going to end up in your sig." – Pyrrho
"Try a twelve step program and accept Doctor X as your High Power." – asthmatic camel
"just like Doc X said." – gnome

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Abdul Alhazred wrote:My favorite "non-canon" TOS is that novel which is the sequel to the episode about the Organians.

I say favorite but I don't remember the title or author. James Blish, maybe?
That would make the first of the old school Bantam books novel series--I think that would be Spock Must Die!, indeed written by James Blish.

Later books in that unofficial series were written by an author that started to inject WAY too much K/S shipping. Not explicit like fanfic stuff, but you could tell she wanted to. They were portrayed as so emotionally co-dependent that Richard Simmons would have insulted their manliness...
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"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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Doctor X wrote:Must admit I have not read nor watched Star Trek in a very long time--pretty much after the good movies--the last of which being Star Trek VI--because Kim Cattrall. One of the best cast of the films.

I use to love tormenting New Trek fans trying to make excuses for it. The good shows were old Trek shows regurgitated. I love Sir Patrick as an actor--watch him toss people off his castle defending his daughter's honor! "If a BOY has been CHOSEN! I BOY SHALL BE KING!" Awesome actor.

Series? Meh.

It is sort of like Bond for me--time to move on to something new.

--J.D.
If for some reason you wound up not having something of far more importance to read, such as the phone book they deliver outside your home--if you happened to consider more Trek reading I'd suggest the "Eugenics Wars" trilogy series by Cox.
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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Between the normal boring old stuff I have to read, I got hooked on a long complex Japanese Original series that makes the Ringu-Razen-Rūpu series seem straight-forward.

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DocX: FTW. – sparks
"Doctor X wins again." – Pyrrho
"Never sorry to make a racist Fucktard cry." – His Humble MagNIfIcence
"It was the criticisms of Doc X, actually, that let me see more clearly how far the hypocrisy had gone." – clarsct
"I'd leave it up to Doctor X who has been a benevolent tyrant so far." – Grammatron
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Shit. That's going to end up in your sig." – Pyrrho
"Try a twelve step program and accept Doctor X as your High Power." – asthmatic camel
"just like Doc X said." – gnome

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I have yet to find a Star Trek novelization that I truly enjoyed, though I admit I haven't tried any by big name sci-fi authors like Blish.

But generally, bleh.
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For you I'd recommend Peter David stuff if you find yourself looking for it.
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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I don't know. I have been sucked in by enough Star Trek novels that had synopses that sounded really interesting, but then I read them and found myself really annoyed by their terribleness, that I have an almost instinctual aversion to them no.
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Like I keep admitting, there's plenty of better stuff to read that's not Trek related at all.
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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Just too much "Fan Fiction" frankly. As a very Wee Spud I enjoyed Blish's novelizations of what were Star Trek episodes. However, his novel Spoke Must Die sucked as most novelizations do.

One problem may be high expectation: "we" know what we like and when someone gets it wrong it pisses us off. Oddly enough, the Bestest Star Trek film nearly became the worse if they used the original scripts. As has been told too many times Nimoy about had it with Star Trek and The Motionless Picture really pissed him off. He and DeForest Kelly tried to add some of their banter--no. I found that funny when I first heard about because when I saw The Motionless Picture Me Dad and I concluded that "something's missing."

We returned home, turned on the television--there is a Star Trek rerun of course! I, Mudd. In the opening McCoy complains that there is this crewman who is strange--Thanks interwebs:
NORMAN: Good morning, sir, Doctor.
SPOCK: Something wrong?
MCCOY: Yes. There's something odd about that man, and I can't quite pinpoint it.
SPOCK: Perhaps you're making a rather hasty judgment. Mister Norman has only been aboard seventy two hours.
MCCOY: I know when something doesn't strike me right, and he doesn't.
SPOCK: Specifics, Doctor. Labels do not make arguments.
MCCOY: All right. There's something wrong about a man who never smiles, whose conversation never varies from the routine of the job, and who won't talk about his background.
SPOCK: I see. Spock actually stops short and stares at McCoy for a moment with his "I am Irritated Even Though I Show No Emotion, You Fuck!" stare.
MCCOY: Spock, I mean that it's odd for a non-Vulcan. The ears make all the difference.
SPOCK: I find your argument strewn with gaping defects in logic.
MCCOY: Maybe, but you can't evaluate a man by logic alone. Besides, he has avoided two appointments that I've made for his physical exam without reason.
SPOCK: That's not at all surprising, Doctor. He's probably terrified of your beads and rattles.

And indeed, the "ending" of TMP is Scotty telling Spock they can bring him back to Vulcan in a few days. The script read--and The Suits Insisted on Retaining: "My task on Vulcan is complete."

Nimoy wanted to say something along the lines of, "Since you are retaining the good doctor, my need here is greater than ever." Just one nice old Spock-McCoy jab. Nope.

Put it this way, even the clueless hack Lucas did not make Harrison Ford correct his "I know" ad-lib. "Harrison, the line is SUPPOSE to be, 'remember that 'cause I'll be back.' Yoda can stick to the script, why not you?"

Paramount made \$ on a film no one really liked, saw visions of a new series and something like seven films. So they had the brains to fire everyone involved and hire people with brains. However, to convince Nimoy to come back--and you cannot do Star Trek without him--they said they would kill him off in response to his demand that "it be different."

And he was suppose to die in like the first act. And like you can see how that would have sucked. An upset Flunky leaked that which caused everyone to scramble and come up with a much better story. The whole opening was a "tease" of "You're upset we might kill Spock? What if we kill EVERYONE AND YOUR CHILDHOOD AHA!HA!HA!HA!HA!JETFUELCAN'TMELTCORBOMITE?!!!!"

Hard to plan that sort of stuff. Sometimes you get lucky. Just like "Bruce the Shark" never working made a better film and saved Richard Dreyfus' character.

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DocX: FTW. – sparks
"Doctor X wins again." – Pyrrho
"Never sorry to make a racist Fucktard cry." – His Humble MagNIfIcence
"It was the criticisms of Doc X, actually, that let me see more clearly how far the hypocrisy had gone." – clarsct
"I'd leave it up to Doctor X who has been a benevolent tyrant so far." – Grammatron
"Indeed you are a river to your people.
Shit. That's going to end up in your sig." – Pyrrho
"Try a twelve step program and accept Doctor X as your High Power." – asthmatic camel
"just like Doc X said." – gnome

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Raising this thread from the dead in honor of the 50th anniversary.

Any new questions?
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Yes.

What were the cloaking rules for USS Defiant in the Alpha quadrant and why were Sisko and crew allowed to bend them so much with only few repercussions?
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Uh, because it's only a tv show? (And the worst of the entire franchise imho)
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The rule was that the Defiant would only use the cloaking device in the Gamma quadrant, and in exchange they promised to share intelligence about the Dominion and keep a Romulan supervisor on board to ensure compliance -- sub-commander T'Rul.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/T%27Rul

The very next episode, however, she apparently went to play basketball with Chuck Cunningham, because she never turned up again.

Early on, Sisko kept to the agreement, though it seems more and more "exceptions" were made over time. I don't necessarily give the writers this much credit for consistency, but I would say the diplomatic concerns became moot when the Federation entered a state of war with the Dominion, but the Romulans signed a non-aggression pact. Accepting intelligence from the Federation would probably be considered a violation, so in a sense the Dominion treaty superseded the amended Treaty of Algeron, and the Federation was effectively free to use the Defiant's cloak however they saw fit at that point. Later, when they became allies, the genie was already out of the bottle, so to speak, and so they probably saw that it was useless to try to enforce the agreement again.
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sparks wrote:Uh, because it's only a tv show? (And the worst of the entire franchise imho)
Hush, you. We went through this earlier in the thread.
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With two different new shows going on and a handful on deck, seems like a fine time to give this one a bump. Anyone got any more questions?
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How long before they realize left wing sentiment does not make up for it sucking?
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I have a question: How is this disguise fooling anyone?

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Anaxagoras wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:07 am I have a question: How is this disguise fooling anyone?

I know, she's not exactly hiding her most recognizable features.

Ok, my answer to the real question about Picard's disguise--I consider it a visual conceit for the audience, like being able to see the energy beams in space. It must be presumed that he is less recognizable to those present than his literal appearance would suggest. A fairly standard TV tradition even if it's a bit old. The Paper-Thin Disguise
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Abdul Alhazred wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:30 pm How long before they realize left wing sentiment does not make up for it sucking?

Please note, TOS was heavy on the left wing sentiment and wouldn't have been as good if they had toned it down.

Left wing sentiment is absolutely not a problem at all, it is merely that it also has to not suck.
For the creators to intend the political values to make up for the suck, would require them realizing the level of suck.

Now, that said, I'm still interested in where things wind up. Discovery has taken a premise for season 3 that has a lot of potential, and Season 2 was already a good deal better than season 1. Picard's season 1 is also better than Discovery season 1, despite its flaws.

It is worth remembering that (TOS aside) the first seasons of a Trek installment are usually the weakest.
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