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The Voynich Manuscript

Post by ed » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:29 pm

a completely new one on me. Fascinating stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Voynich_manuscript



Entire manuscript here
http://awesta.sibirjak.ru/files/Voynich.pdf

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Post by Grammatron » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:49 pm

You think they'll ever figure out what this is?

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Post by asthmatic camel » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:56 pm

I think I can recognise a few of the plant drawings from the second link, although they're very crude.

Time to ping Sonoma Bear for a rather more expert opinion.
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Post by DrMatt » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:59 pm

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Post by Quester_X » Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:46 pm

Grammatron wrote:You think they'll ever figure out what this is?
But it's so obvious!
http://xkcd.com/593/
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Post by Evolver » Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:52 pm

It's a cookbook! :HairRaising:
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Post by Mulebear » Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:56 pm

SoB has too much on his plate today for him to give a detailed response, but he did say that at first glance the plants depicted were mostly a phantasmagorical mix of real and non-existent plant parts.
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Post by Geni » Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:02 pm

asthmatic camel wrote:I think I can recognise a few of the plant drawings from the second link, although they're very crude.
Doubtful. No one has every really been able to make out for certian what the plants are.

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Post by Geni » Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:03 pm

Grammatron wrote:You think they'll ever figure out what this is?
Hoax. We know quite a bit about the history of cryptography and there is no encryption system that existed at that time that we couldn't break givern a book length bit of cyphertex.

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Post by asthmatic camel » Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:12 pm

Mulebear wrote:SoB has too much on his plate today for him to give a detailed response, but he did say that at first glance the plants depicted were mostly a phantasmagorical mix of real and non-existent plant parts.
That's what I thought. Some look like a bit like this, some a bit like that but none really ring true. Hoax is my bet.
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Post by specious_reasons » Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:39 pm

The reason why it's so hard to decipher is because of the excessive use of "and it came to pass" "yea" and "exceedingly"....
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Post by whitefork » Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:56 pm

Hoax.
David Kahn's The Codebreakers has a nice chapter on it.

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Post by Grammatron » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:06 pm

If it's a hoax, why is it such an elaborate and complex, and unique one?

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Post by Grammatron » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:09 pm

Quester_X wrote:
Grammatron wrote:You think they'll ever figure out what this is?
But it's so obvious!
http://xkcd.com/593/
The wikipedia article on the Voynich manuscrpit has a quite amusing and angry discussion on xkcd.

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Post by specious_reasons » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:25 pm

Grammatron wrote:If it's a hoax, why is it such an elaborate and complex, and unique one?
Maybe an "emperor has no clothes" type of trick, like Sokol's critique of postmodernism.

...or an elaborate "mystical book" used by a burgeoning cultist. Unlike Smith, he felt he had to produce the book.
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Post by Nyarlathotep » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:31 pm

Grammatron wrote:If it's a hoax, why is it such an elaborate and complex, and unique one?
It wouldn't be the first time someone went to great lengths to make an elaborate hoax, though. The Crystal Skulls and the Shroud of Turin come to mind.

Though I think its a first edition copy of The Necronomicon.
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Post by En folkefiende » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:39 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:
Grammatron wrote:If it's a hoax, why is it such an elaborate and complex, and unique one?
It wouldn't be the first time someone went to great lengths to make an elaborate hoax, though. The Crystal Skulls and the Shroud of Turin come to mind.

Though I think its a first edition copy of The Necronomicon.
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Post by corplinx » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:46 pm

Grammatron wrote:If it's a hoax, why is it such an elaborate and complex, and unique one?
Because before TV and the internet, people had the free time to do dumb shit like that.

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Post by Pyrrho » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:23 pm

It's not the first book full of batshit crazy trash and it won't be the last.
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Post by ed » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:53 am

whitefork wrote:Hoax.
David Kahn's The Codebreakers has a nice chapter on it.
I think that he reserves judgement.