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Read there is such an enthusiasm for ascending the Everest that there is a sherpa shortage. :mrgreen:
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In 2005, Eurocopter claimed a helicopter landing on the summit of Everest. It was a serial Ecureuil/AStar AS 350 B3 piloted by the Eurocopter X test pilot Didier Delsalle. They reported landing on the summit for 2 minutes before returning to Lukla.
http://www.alanarnette.com/blog/2013/03 ... n-everest/

I've got a little trouble believing that.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:Suppose one wishes to stand on the summit of Everest just to see what it looks like from up there, but doesn't care about all that "because it's there" shit.

Could one go up in a helicopter or something like that?

I mean without being an aviation daredevil, just ride up easy? 8)
I doubt it, not with most helicopters.

You see, the air is so thin up there, helicopters cannot fly that high. That's also why you can't even be rescued by helicopter in an emergency, except for farther down the slope.
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Ten more people have died last week. Too many people trying to summit on the same day. May seems to be the most popular month for climbing Everest.

‘It was like a zoo': Climbers reveal 'Lord of Flies' experience of overcrowded Everest
New Delhi: Ed Dohring, a doctor from Arizona, had dreamt his whole life of reaching the top of Mount Everest. But when he reached the summit a few days ago, he was shocked by what he saw.

Climbers were pushing and shoving to take selfies. The flat part of the summit, which he estimated at about the size of two table-tennis tables, was packed with 15 or 20 people. To get up there, he had to wait hours in a line, chest to chest, one puffy jacket after the next, on an icy, rocky ridge with a several-thousand metre drop.
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A picture by climber Nirmal Purja shows heavy traffic of mountain climbers lining up to stand at the summit of Mount Everest. Credit:Nirmal Purja, Project Possible
He even had to step around the frozen body of a woman who had just died.

"It was scary," he said by telephone from Kathmandu, Nepal, where he was resting in a hotel room. "It was like a zoo."

This has been one of the deadliest climbing seasons on Everest, with at least 10 deaths. And at least some seem to have been avoidable.

The problem hasn't been avalanches, blizzards or high winds. Veteran climbers and industry leaders blame having too many people on the mountain, in general, and too many inexperienced climbers, in particular.

Fly-by-night adventure companies are taking up untrained climbers who pose a risk to everyone on the mountain. And the Nepalese government, hungry for every climbing dollar it can get, has issued more permits than Everest can safely handle, some experienced mountaineers say.

Add to that Everest's inimitable appeal to a growing body of thrill-seekers the world over. And the fact that Nepal, one of Asia's poorest nations and the site of most Everest climbs, has a long record of shoddy regulations, mismanagement and corruption.

The result is a crowded, unruly scene reminiscent of "Lord of the Flies"— at 8800 metres. At that altitude, a delay of even an hour or two can mean life or death.

To reach the summit, climbers shed every pound of gear they can and take with them just enough canisters of compressed oxygen to make it to the top and back down. It is hard to think straight at that altitude, climbers say.

According to Sherpas and climbers, some of the deaths this year were caused by people getting held up in the long lines on the last 300 metres or so of the climb, unable to get up and down fast enough to replenish their oxygen supply. Others were simply not fit enough to be on the mountain in the first place.
Imagine reaching the summit of Everest and then having to wait in a queue for hours just for a few moments on the tippy top. Well, the traffic jam itself seems to be deadly this time.
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Now I'm imagining a sort of cable car with a pressurized cabin... or is that similarly impractical?
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Technically possible I suppose, but building it would not be easy. And purists would hate the idea.
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It's easy to forget that the air and bacteria count up there is so low that those bodies will be there for thousands of years. Imagine explorers in the distant future, making it to the top of the world's tallest mountain for the first time and discovering piles of dead bodies and selfie sticks.
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Bruce wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 10:53 am It's easy to forget that the air and bacteria count up there is so low that those bodies will be there for thousands of years. Imagine explorers people using a port-o-potty up there, in the distant future, making it to the top of the world's tallest mountain for the first time and discovering piles of dead bodies and selfie sticks.
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Sequestering carbon.

A fucking line to get to the top of Everest. Jeesus there are just too many peeps on this rock. They're working on the same for Challenger Deep.
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sparks wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 4:17 pm A fucking line to get to the top of Everest. Jeesus there are just too many peeps on this rock.
To be fair, they paid good money for this tour. They want their souvenir.

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I mean, where else does a person drop dead and everyone else just keeps going about their business, stepping over the body.
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Article on why everyone climbs in May:
Why Does Everyone Climb Everest in May? (Popular Mechanics, 2012)
It comes down to snow, temperature, and wind. "Mount Everest protrudes into the stratosphere, and most of the year the summit is buffeted by winds of over 100 miles per hour that will kill a climber in minutes or even hurtle them into the void," All told Popular Mechanics. "It is only during the onset or cession of the Asian Monsoon that these winds die down and allow climbers short seven- to 10-day windows to climb the mountain."

The highest recorded wind speed at the summit was a 175 mph in February 2004. For reference, a Category 5 hurricane has sustained wind speeds of at least 157 mph. Throughout the winter, hurricane-force winds pummel the summit for three days out of four.

The two windows in which those wild winds die down happen in May and September. But snow falls during the September calm, so fresh snow drifts offset the break from the wind. That's why so many people try the ascent in May, All says.
So it's the best time for the weather conditions, but it also means that most of the people who want to climb Everest in a given year all arrive at the same time.
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Anaxagoras wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 11:08 pm I mean, where else does a person drop dead and everyone else just keeps going about their business, stepping over the body.
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robinson wrote: Tue May 28, 2019 7:17 am
Anaxagoras wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 11:08 pm I mean, where else does a person drop dead and everyone else just keeps going about their business, stepping over the body.
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Here you go. Climb Everest without ever even getting off your ass.

https://thetopofmounteverest.com/#home
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I think the first day this becomes possible they will build it.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:03 amdomed observation deck
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Abdul Alhazred wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:03 am How about a series of indoor escalators with pressurized cabins and airlocks every so often?
During the cold season (most of the year) it is easier to get to the surface of the moon than to the top of Everest. Actually, even in summer it is simply impossible to get to the top of Everest during a storm.

Men have walked on the moon multiple times. But nobody has ever gone up Everest during a storm, or when it is not summer. It's actually impossible, no matter how much money and effort you spend on it. Even if you could build something up that high, you can't maintain it. Actually, you couldn't even build it. The ice field (glacier) you have to cross is impossible to build a structure on. Which is exactly why you can't build anything. There is no way to build a road to deliver men and materials to even start the project.

You could air lift everything in, but the two month window when you could try and build a base to start building from isn't long enough to build a base to start building. And even if you tried, by the time you get back to the site (10 months later) you face such a massive clearing and repair to the start of the base you end up never making an progress. And of course the powers that be aren't going to approve any of it.

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Just for comparison, Glacier National Park has a road already built, going up to the pass at 6,646 feet. It was a huge effort to build the road. It's cleared and repaired usually by the end of June (rocks and snow and damage), and is open until the first snows in September or October. (it might be the middle of July before it can be cleared)

This is just a road. And it has no guardrails because nothing ever constructed has survived a winter. This is below 7000 feet. Base camp on Everest is at 17,600 ft. Nobody can build anything to even reach that point. Much less try constructing something above it.
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robinson wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:20 am
Abdul Alhazred wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:03 am How about a series of indoor escalators with pressurized cabins and airlocks every so often?
During the cold season (most of the year) it is easier to get to the surface of the moon than to the top of Everest. Actually, even in summer it is simply impossible to get to the top of Everest during a storm.

Men have walked on the moon multiple times. But nobody has ever gone up Everest during a storm, or when it is not summer. It's actually impossible, no matter how much money and effort you spend on it. Even if you could build something up that high, you can't maintain it. Actually, you couldn't even build it. The ice field (glacier) you have to cross is impossible to build a structure on. Which is exactly why you can't build anything. There is no way to build a road to deliver men and materials to even start the project.

You could air lift everything in, but the two month window when you could try and build a base to start building from isn't long enough to build a base to start building. And even if you tried, by the time you get back to the site (10 months later) you face such a massive clearing and repair to the start of the base you end up never making an progress. And of course the powers that be aren't going to approve any of it.

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The way to control demand is thru pricing. Keep raising fees til the numbers get manageable.

At the same time

Build "Way Station" landing pads every 1000 feet or so and then perfect this


As a side thing make every person entering within 100 miles of Everest get $10,000,000 of term life insurance paid up for two years. Beneficiary is the Everest Development Group (EDG). I figure that anyone who wants to climb Everest is likely to engage in other risky behavior.

You might argue that the air is too thin at higher altitudes to support flight. To this I say "so?" and "piffle". Look at it this way: rich fuckers, who have paid their fees in advance AND have fat life insurance policies, get marooned 12,000 feet up. And the problem with that is what exactly????

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Agreed. And on every point. :)

One question though: Are they still good eatin' at 10 thousand feet?
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AGW ed. AGW. What about that? Huh??? :)
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Rob Lister wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:05 pmThere are regular reminders in the news just how dangerous climbing Mt. Everest can be, but Smithsonian drives that point home with a look at some of the mountain's more tragic stories. More than 200 people have died on its frozen slopes, and many have ended up preserved in the ice where they fell.
71 more have died since topic was started.
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Note location of base camp.

Note it is impossible to build or maintain a structure there. And it is 2 and a half miles up (elevation) to the peak. It is easier to get to the surface of the moon than the peak of Everest when it is snowing.
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It is easier to....when ... snow, uphill both ways without shoes and bullshit bullshit bullshit.

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robinson wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:20 am
Abdul Alhazred wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:03 am How about a series of indoor escalators with pressurized cabins and airlocks every so often?
During the cold season (most of the year) it is easier to get to the surface of the moon than to the top of Everest. Actually, even in summer it is simply impossible to get to the top of Everest during a storm.

Men have walked on the moon multiple times. But nobody has ever gone up Everest during a storm, or when it is not summer. It's actually impossible, no matter how much money and effort you spend on it. Even if you could build something up that high, you can't maintain it. Actually, you couldn't even build it. The ice field (glacier) you have to cross is impossible to build a structure on. Which is exactly why you can't build anything. There is no way to build a road to deliver men and materials to even start the project.

You could air lift everything in, but the two month window when you could try and build a base to start building from isn't long enough to build a base to start building. And even if you tried, by the time you get back to the site (10 months later) you face such a massive clearing and repair to the start of the base you end up never making an progress. And of course the powers that be aren't going to approve any of it.

But it's good to have a dream.
Not so. Everest has been climbed in all seasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Eve ... n_climbing
Although generally less popular than spring, Mount Everest has also been climbed in the autumn (also called the "post-monsoon season").[62][269] For example, in 2010 Eric Larsen and five Nepali guides summited Everest in the autumn for the first time in ten years.[269] The first mainland British ascent of Mount Everest (Hillary was from New Zealand), which was also the first ascent via a face rather than a ridge, was the autumn 1975 Southwest Face expedition led by Chris Bonington.[270] The autumn season, when the monsoon ends, is regarded as more dangerous because there is typically a lot of new snow which can be unstable.[271] However, this increased snow can make it more popular with certain winter sports like skiing and snowboarding.[62] Two Japanese also summited in October 1973.[272]

Chris Chandler and Bob Cormack summited Everest in October 1976 as part of the American Bicentennial Everest Expedition that year, the first Americans to make an autumn ascent of Mount Everest according to the Los Angeles Times.[273] By the 21st century, summer and autumn can be more popular with skiing and snowboard attempts on Mount Everest.[274] During the 1980s, climbing in autumn was actually more popular than in spring.[275] U.S. astronaut Karl Gordon Henize died in October 1993 on an autumn expedition, conducting an experiment on radiation. The amount of background radiation increases with higher altitudes.[276]

The mountain has also been climbed in the winter, but that is not popular because of the combination of cold high winds and shorter days.[277] By January the peak is typically battered by 170 mph (270 km/h) winds and the average temperature of the summit is around −33 °F (−36 °C).[62]
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Elon could do it. He could use his Falcon Heavys to airlift a hyperlink tunnel up to the peak and then drive his Tesla up there and tweet something.
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Elon could do anything.
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Of course one can argue with bullshit. It's a defining feature of the internet
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Elon is just another rich blowhard asshole. Not only could Chuck Norris kick the shit out of him, even Bill Shatner could too.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:44 pm Best viewed full screen.

Is that Elon in the pilots seat?
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