Ben Trovado wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:43 pm
What always got me was that they had to drop a second bomb.
. . . and even then, the military side did not want to surrender.
They may have had to have dropped a third. Not to tangent this into a discussion on the point, but I have lost all respect for the view that the bombs were "unnecessary" or "gratuitous." There were between 100,000-250,000 civilian loses per
month in China, Korea, and ramping up in Japan. As most concede, far more lives were lost in the incendiary bombing of Tōkyō. We have not even brought in the coming famine in Japan.
So "waiting a few months," leaving aside the "problem" of the Soviets invading the north of Japan, would have resulted in perhaps another million civilians
counting what would be lost with what would have been continued bombing of the cities.
Then comes the invasion.
Which, to paraphrase The Captain
, is the way Hirohito and the military wanted it. I think what really convinced enough of the "peace side" and Hirohito is the looming fact that the US would not
be deterred by "The Awesome Super Casualty Creating Blow [of Doom. – Ed.]" that the military and Hirohito kept hoping for. This included the psychopath Adm. Oishi, I believe, who advocated only about 20 million or so civilians acting as suicide attacks on the landing American forces for "sure victory."
This led to the True Fear[™ – Ed.] that rather than go along with the "Glorious Sacrifice of Everyone Not Named Hirohito," enough of the starving populace would simply overthrow the government and bring in the Communists who, apparently, had not been all executed and starved to death.
I think they were hiding in Goya.
So when "Mr. Jimmy" the Secretary of State responded to the Japanese "offer" of surrender that claimed it would not indicate any restrictions on the "prerogative" of Hirohito with the simple clarification that they would be under control of the Supreme Commander, the Japanese could interpret this as the US would not simply march in, depose and execute Hirohito, and force everyone to like Jimmy Stewart movies. Hirohito, himself, claimed he would insist on fighting on if surrender meant his butt would be kicked.
Of the many great "what ifs" is what if Anami did not drown his sorrows in his sake
and supported the coup
that occurred? What if enough supported them and they prevented the broadcast of the recording of the surrender? More to point, what if he chose to resign and topple the government? For this reason the Japanese portray Anami as some sort of hero – hell Mifune gets to play him – but he really seemed to have lost his grip a bit in the end. Even when arguing about the language of the Imperial "Yeah, Stop, Like, Vaporizing Us" Rescript, he believed in rumors of reports that a Huge Ass 'Merican Fleet was, like, just off the coast and if, like, they attacked it, the US would sue for the better terms they never would accept:
- 1. No occupation.
2. The Japanese will disarm their own men.
3. The Japanese will investigate and try their own "war criminals."
4. The Emperor still gets his ass kissed.
Fortunately, I did not tangent this. . . .