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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact

Post by sparks » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:16 pm

But.....but......but........what about all those passengers cell phones that the GPS satellites are tracking???..................and shit????
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact

Post by Pyrrho » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:04 pm

http://www.stonekettle.com/2014/03/the- ... lines.html

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Post by hammegk » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:11 pm

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/ ... 0-n1810089
Our conclusion is that the hijacking was cleverly executed. What is yet to be discovered, however, is whether its return to Earth also occurred as planned. Here are our odds-on rankings for the various theories regarding the disappearance of the Boeing 777:

Cause of the mishap:

Planned hijacking – 99.9%

Cooperation by entire flight crew – 2%

Suicide mission – 1%

Mechanical failure – .01%

Current whereabouts:

At the bottom of the Indian Ocean - 95%

Parked at a makeshift landing strip – 15%

Hidden in a hangar inside a rogue nation – 5%

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact

Post by ed » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:16 pm

Act like a rational adult and deal with it.
Probably good advice.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact

Post by Rob Lister » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:37 pm

Pyrrho wrote:http://www.stonekettle.com/2014/03/the- ... lines.html

Whoops, I can't copy and paste from there without express written permission.

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What a jerk. I was tempted to copy and paste the entire article just to fuck with him you.

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Okay, so he thinks they're at the bottom of the IO. I guess by now, absent claims of responsibility or ransom demands, that's probably right. I suppose they have to look for it a while longer but if they're really that clueless as to where it might be (200,000 sqmi), then good fucking fucked.

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Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:19 am

Hell, they never did find Amelia Earhart's plane. Sure it was much smaller, but with each passing day it seems more likely they will never find it.
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A psychic has assured me her plane will be found "near running water."

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact

Post by sparks » Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:34 am

Doctor X wrote:A psychic has assured me her plane will be found "near running water."

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Post by izittrue » Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:15 pm

Doctor X wrote:A psychic has assured me her plane will be found "near running water."

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Post by hammegk » Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:04 pm

Another theory that isn't obviously wrong.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh ... ical-fire/
Ongoing speculation of a hijacking and/or murder-suicide and that there was a flight engineer on board does not sway me in favor of foul play until I am presented with evidence of foul play.

We know there was a last voice transmission that, from a pilot’s point of view, was entirely normal. “Good night” is customary on a hand-off to a new air traffic control. The “good night” also strongly indicates to me that all was OK on the flight deck. Remember, there are many ways a pilot can communicate distress. A hijack code or even transponder code off by one digit would alert ATC that something was wrong. Every good pilot knows keying an SOS over the mike always is an option. Even three short clicks would raise an alert. So I conclude that at the point of voice transmission all was perceived as well on the flight deck by the pilots.

But things could have been in the process of going wrong, unknown to the pilots.

Evidently the ACARS went inoperative some time before. Disabling the ACARS is not easy, as pointed out. This leads me to believe more in an electrical problem or an electrical fire than a manual shutdown. I suggest the pilots probably were not aware ACARS was not transmitting.

As for the reports of altitude fluctuations, given that this was not transponder-generated data but primary radar at maybe 200 miles, the azimuth readings can be affected by a lot of atmospherics and I would not have high confidence in this being totally reliable. But let’s accept for a minute that the pilot may have ascended to 45,000 feet in a last-ditch effort to quell a fire by seeking the lowest level of oxygen. That is an acceptable scenario. At 45,000 feet, it would be tough to keep this aircraft stable, as the flight envelope is very narrow and loss of control in a stall is entirely possible. The aircraft is at the top of its operational ceiling. The reported rapid rates of descent could have been generated by a stall, followed by a recovery at 25,000 feet. The pilot may even have been diving to extinguish flames.

But going to 45,000 feet in a hijack scenario doesn’t make any good sense to me.

Regarding the additional flying time: On departing Kuala Lampur, Flight 370 would have had fuel for Beijing and an alternate destination, probably Shanghai, plus 45 minutes–say, 8 hours. Maybe more. He burned 20-25 percent in the first hour with takeoff and the climb to cruise. So when the turn was made toward Langkawi, he would have had six hours or more hours worth of fuel. This correlates nicely with the Inmarsat data pings being received until fuel exhaustion.

The now known continued flight until time to fuel exhaustion only confirms to me that the crew was incapacitated and the flight continued on deep into the south Indian ocean.

There is no point speculating further until more evidence surfaces, but in the meantime it serves no purpose to malign pilots who well may have been in a struggle to save this aircraft from a fire or other serious mechanical issue. Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah was a hero struggling with an impossible situation trying to get that plane to Langkawi. There is no doubt in my mind. That’s the reason for the turn and direct route. A hijacking would not have made that deliberate left turn with a direct heading for Langkawi. It probably would have weaved around a bit until the hijackers decided where they were taking it.

Surprisingly, none of the reporters, officials, or other pilots interviewed have looked at this from the pilot’s viewpoint: If something went wrong, where would he go? Thanks to Google Earth I spotted Langkawi in about 30 seconds, zoomed in and saw how long the runway was and I just instinctively knew this pilot knew this airport. He had probably flown there many times.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact

Post by EvilYeti » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:37 am

Whelp, this isn't good. CNN Is reporting that the navigation computer was reprogrammed prior to sign-off, so the odds that this was a deliberate act have gone way up (assuming the report is accurate).

If so, this is some serious Bond-Villian level evil shit.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses contact

Post by Pyrrho » Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:41 am

It's all freaking weird. How much of the information is accurate and how much of it is spin and how much of it is disinformation is beyond me. Current talk about "low flying plane over the Maldives" would seem to put the plane way out near the end of its fuel range and on a track for crazy places. If it was intentionally diverted to land somewhere, then where? Otherwise it's on the bottom of the ocean and all the guessers and "unnamed sources" are blowing smoke out their asses.

Aljazeera has a decent writeup, much less hyperbolic than CNN et al.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2 ... gress.html
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Post by hammegk » Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:14 pm

Pyrrho wrote:It's all freaking weird. How much of the information is accurate and how much of it is spin and how much of it is disinformation is beyond me. Current talk about "low flying plane over the Maldives" would seem to put the plane way out near the end of its fuel range and on a track for crazy places. If it was intentionally diverted to land somewhere, then where? Otherwise it's on the bottom of the ocean and all the guessers and "unnamed sources" are blowing smoke out their asses.

Aljazeera has a decent writeup, much less hyperbolic than CNN et al.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2 ... gress.html
Aljazeera has become the only tv to actually present news (at least some of the time).

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:52 pm

hammegk wrote:Aljazeera has become the only tv to actually present news (at least some of the time).
They won't publish anything bad about the government of Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, or Islam. Or anything good about Israel.

Other than that, more generally reliable and no more anti-American than CNN.
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Post by Witness » Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:02 pm

EvilYeti wrote:Whelp, this isn't good. CNN Is reporting that the navigation computer was reprogrammed prior to sign-off, so the odds that this was a deliberate act have gone way up (assuming the report is accurate).

If so, this is some serious Bond-Villian level evil shit.
Juts read that most pilots program alternative routes into their flight computers, in case of emergency. So it all depends on what is behind the CNN journalit's "reprogrammed prior to sign-off"…