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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by xouper » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:22 am

Fake pizza in the US?

I suddenly have a craving for some Chicago style deep dish stuffed pizza like I used to get when I lived there.

Nancy's Pizza may not have been the very best, but it was damn good, and they had a store near me on Higgins Rd.

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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Giz » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:47 am

Potentially misleading as it is showing central government debt compared to GDP. Which might be Ok for the U.K., but misses State deficits for the USA.


Edited because spellcheck had changed “ok” to “Orishas” . Wtf?
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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:31 am

Japan appears to be in the worst shape, but I think that might be a little misleading too.

As far as state and local debts, adding those to the equation doesn't seem to make a huge difference for the US. Most government debt is federal debt. (This does not, however, include so-called "unfunded liabilities" like promises to pay pensions in the future.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... ted_States

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The reason why Japan's debt is a little misleading is that almost half of it is held by the Bank of Japan.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japa ... SKBN1GV06E
The BOJ held a record 449 trillion yen ($4.24 trillion) in government debt at the end of December, up 6.8 percent from the same period a year earlier, central bank data showed on Monday.

The central bank held 41.1 percent of all government debt at the end of December, also the highest on record. Insurance companies and pensions were the second-largest holders, accounting for 21.6 percent of all bonds outstanding.
Overall, over 90% of Japanese debt is held by Japanese entities. Some by private citizens, but a large chunk by the Bank of Japan. Further, the BoJ can, in principle, purchase an infinite amount of this debt if it wants to. The debt is payable in yen after all. Unlike a country such as, well, a lot of countries that borrow money in foreign currency and must repay in foreign currency, Japan borrows yen, and Japan can also essentially print as many yen as it needs. In theory. :notsure:

Look, venezuela is green in that picture. Its debt is only 39% (probably a lie, but even if true). Yet, would you rather hold yen or bolivars? DR Congo is dark green. Problably less of a sign of good governance than that nobody is willing to lend them any money, hence they don't have a lot of debt.
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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Rob Lister » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:02 pm

very cool graph. HORROR surprises me because I was never into them. WESTERN surprises me because I was always into them. DOCUMENTARY doesn't surprise me; they've gotten much better.

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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by ed » Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:52 pm

Wonder how much of that is push as opposed to pull.
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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by ed » Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:56 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:31 am

As far as state and local debts, adding those to the equation doesn't seem to make a huge difference for the US. Most government debt is federal debt. (This does not, however, include so-called "unfunded liabilities" like promises to pay pensions in the future.)

The US government continues to use cash basis accounting (non-GAAP). There figures do not take into account the net present value of legally bound future liabilities (now estimated to be over $200 trillion USD in size).

https://sdbullion.com/blog/what-are-unf ... overnment/

I am not sure that this takes into account state debts. Illinois and Cali are in the crapper I believe.

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Post by Giz » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:22 am

Wait, didn't Obama have the most deportations? Was that fake news?

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:03 pm

Giz wrote:
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Wait, didn't Obama have the most deportations? Was that fake news?
Deportations for those caught right at the border are not counted as arrests for "illegally crossing the border", because they were stopped from doing that.

A reasonable interpretation of that graph is Trump continues to do a great job just like Obama. Obama has more because eight whole years of it.

And Obama proposed a wall too, though he didn't make it the centerpiece of his political game.

However Obama was "soft" on immigration in not deporting parents with children born in the USA.

All the rest is bullshit, whether one currently favors a wall on general principles or not.
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:33 am

For comparison, though bear in mind the difference in absolute magnitude:

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Post by robinson » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:13 pm

Just realized what a marketing fail "Build the wall" actually is.
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Post by Doctor X » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:45 pm

Giz wrote:
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Wait, didn't Obama have the most deportations? Was that fake news?
His deportations were not racist.

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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Giz » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:27 pm

Because he was not tainted by orange-al sin. (Refusing HER a bite of the apple)

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Re: Thought Provoking Graphs

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:43 pm

Giz wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:27 pm
... orange-al sin. ...
Language award.
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