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A Godwin self-PWN. It does not get better than that.
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Witness wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 12:44 am Image

Not 22.

But maybe he/him was using "woke" math.
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The Atheist wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:31 am A Godwin self-PWN. It does not get better than that.
I agree.
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shuize wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:08 am Not 22.

But maybe he/him was using "woke" math.
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As you're into commemoration:


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More recent news:
NYC Art Gallery Commemorating Tulsa Massacre Vandalized With White Paint

An art gallery in Manhattan displaying pieces for the 100th anniversary of the Tulsa Race Massacre was vandalized overnight and the person responsible now has the attention of the NYPD Hate Crime Task Force.

The owner of the Black Wall Street Gallery in SoHo said it was not there when he locked up Sunday night, but by Monday morning white paint had been smeared across the gallery's name displayed on the front window.

"In this case, you have white paint on something that has the word "black" and it's only on those words, it's not above or below nor is it on any other business around. That to me constitutes hate speech," said gallery owner Dr. Ricco Wright.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/c ... t/3082908/





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Utah governor asks citizens to pray for rain to end drought

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Utah’s governor asked citizens Thursday to pray for rain this weekend to relieve the state from its drought.

Gov. Spencer Cox released a statement calling on Utah citizens to pray for “divine intervention” as an excessive heat warning has been issued for areas of the state this weekend.

“I’ve already asked all Utahns to conserve water by avoiding long showers, fixing leaky faucets, and planting water-wise landscapes,” Cox said. “But I fear those efforts alone won’t be enough to protect us.“We need more rain and we need it now.”
https://apnews.com/article/utah-religio ... 8c4dd7b557

Perhaps burning more witches could help? :notsure:





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3 Wilmington officers shot at domestic dispute call, suspect dead after 12-hour standoff: Police - ABC News
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Just to mix the board up a little bit. A white man committing a crime.

https://whdh.com/news/man-accused-of-hi ... ile-drunk/
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High court asked to review men-only draft registration law

The Supreme Court is being asked to decide whether it’s sex discrimination for the government to require only men to register for the draft when they turn 18.

The question of whether it’s unconstitutional to require men but not women to register could be viewed as one with little practical impact. The last time there was a draft was during the Vietnam War, and the military has been all-volunteer since. But the registration requirement is one of the few remaining places where federal law treats men and women differently, and women’s groups are among those arguing that allowing it to stand is harmful.

The justices could say as soon as Monday whether they will hear a case involving the Military Selective Service Act, which requires men to register for the draft.

Ria Tabacco Mar, the director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s Women’s Rights Project, who is urging the court to take up the issue, says requiring men to register imposes a “serious burden on men that’s not being imposed on women.”

Men who do not register can lose eligibility for student loans and civil service jobs, and failing to register is also a felony punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and five years in prison. But Tabacco Mar says the male-only requirement does more than that.

“It’s also sending a tremendously harmful message that women are less fit than men to serve their country in this particular way and conversely that men are less fit than women to stay home as caregivers in the event of an armed conflict. We think those stereotypes demean both men and women,” she said.

Even if the draft is never used again, retaining the men-only requirement sends a “really damaging message,” said Tabacco Mar, who represents the National Coalition For Men and two individual men challenging the law

A group of retired senior military officers and the National Organization for Women Foundation are among the others urging the court to take the case.
https://apnews.com/article/us-supreme-c ... 7d5c58f3c2



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San Jose mayor proposes gun owners carry insurance and pay annual fee in wake of mass shooting

Nearly two weeks after a gunman fatally shot nine coworkers at a San Jose light rail yard, the mayor of Northern California's most populous city is proposing first-of-its-kind gun safety restrictions that would require gun owners in the city to obtain insurance and pay an annual fee to cover the cost of gun violence.
While mass shootings draw much of the attention of gun violence, in the 13 days since the shooting at the Valley Transportation Authority facility, there have been eight additional shootings in San Jose, according to Mayor Sam Liccardo.
Liccardo's initiative, unveiled Tuesday, is aimed at providing care to injured victims and providing incentives for safer behavior. Some gun owners, he said, would already be covered through their homeowner's or renter's insurance.
"If we cannot stop the horrors of gun violence in our cities, at least we're going to have the public stop paying for it," Liccardo said at a press conference. "The Second Amendment protects the right of Americans to own guns but does not require that every other taxpayer pay for that right ... requiring gun users to pay fees will help fund critical emergency medical and police response and reduce our taxpayers burdens."
The proposal would require all gun and ammunition purchases to be recorded on video and audio in an effort to discourage straw purchases for those who are legally ineligible to buy weapons, he said. Additionally, suicide prevention materials would be required at points of sale.
The gun safety efforts will focus on strengthening and expanding gun violence restraining orders and intelligence programs that help identify illegal guns in the hands of violent criminals, according to Santa Clara County District Attorney Jeff Rosen.
Liccardo's proposals also include leveraging federal information for early intervention, after federal sources told CNN the gunman in last month's shooting had been detained by Customs and Border Protection officers who discovered books on terrorism and writings filled with hatred toward his workplace.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/09/us/s ... index.html





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At least 8 injured in New Orleans shooting, police say - CNN

17-year-old dies after shooting outside Texas high school

3 dead, including suspect, in shooting at Publix supermarket in Florida
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San Jose mayor doesn't understand the constitution or doesn't care.
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Since Chicago has the numbers to qualify as a mass shooting every three days, try that idea there and see how it works
still working on Sophrosyne, but I will no doubt end up with Hubris
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Tennessee woman accidentally buys loaded handgun at church rummage sale

GREENEVILLE, Tenn. (WATE) — A Tennessee woman shopping at a church rummage sale accidentally bought a loaded Glock 23, believing it was an airsoft gun.

Police have since determined the weapon was reported as stolen.

The woman, who was not named, alerted Greeneville police about the purchase on Sunday. She said she had gone to a rummage sale on May 7 at a church, where a gun was taken out of a bag of clothing and put on a table for sale.

She told police she wanted to buy the holster the .40-caliber handgun was in and thought the weapon was an airsoft gun. When she got home, she said, she realized it was a Glock 23 and there was a full magazine and “one in the chamber.”

The woman told police she then called the youth pastor.

Another woman came forward claiming the gun belonged to her husband, but when she couldn’t provide a proper description of the markings on the side of the weapon it was turned over to police.
https://www.wkrn.com/news/tennessee-wom ... mage-sale/





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Teen cousins face murder charges in shooting of 17-year-old during drug deal at Bartow park

Queens, NY shooting: 10 year old boy killed after shots fire at home Far Rockaway neighborhood - CNN
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But is it true.
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Family of boy allegedly shot by neighbor worried after suspect walks free with low bond

9-year-old boy accidentally shot in chest by father after alleged road rage incident - ABC News

Austin mass shooting: 13 hospitalized after attack on 6th Street | KXAN Austin
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Witness wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:52 pm
The usual:

Family of boy allegedly shot by neighbor worried after suspect walks free with low bond
Gun crimes do not get punished in places where Democrats are in charge. There is your answer why the amount of shootings is so high.
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Woke America

still working on Sophrosyne, but I will no doubt end up with Hubris
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Peace through superior firepower: Belief in supernatural evil and attitudes toward gun policy in the United States

Abstract

Although debates over guns and gun control have roiled the contemporary political scene, the role of religion has received only limited attention from scholars. We contribute to this literature by developing a series of theoretical arguments linking one specific facet of religion –belief in supernatural evil (i.e., the Devil/Satan, Hell, and demons)—and a range of gun policy attitudes. Relevant hypotheses are then tested using data from the 2014 Baylor Religion Survey (n = 1572). Results show that belief in supernatural evil is a robust predictor of support for policies that expand gun rights. Overall, the estimated net effects of belief in supernatural evil withstand statistical controls for a host of sociodemographic covariates, and, importantly, political ideology. Very few other aspects of religion are associated with any of these gun policy attitudes. Implications and study limitations are discussed, and promising directions for future research on religion and guns are identified.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 9X21000727

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Suspect in NDOT employee shooting has died

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Witness wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:57 pm
Peace through superior firepower: Belief in supernatural evil and attitudes toward gun policy in the United States

Abstract

Although debates over guns and gun control have roiled the contemporary political scene, the role of religion has received only limited attention from scholars. We contribute to this literature by developing a series of theoretical arguments linking one specific facet of religion –belief in supernatural evil (i.e., the Devil/Satan, Hell, and demons)—and a range of gun policy attitudes. Relevant hypotheses are then tested using data from the 2014 Baylor Religion Survey (n = 1572). Results show that belief in supernatural evil is a robust predictor of support for policies that expand gun rights. Overall, the estimated net effects of belief in supernatural evil withstand statistical controls for a host of sociodemographic covariates, and, importantly, political ideology. Very few other aspects of religion are associated with any of these gun policy attitudes. Implications and study limitations are discussed, and promising directions for future research on religion and guns are identified.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 9X21000727

:mrgreen:
Well, in (gun friendly) red states, you need something abstract to blame when something goes wrong. In blue states, they have democrats.
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Some gun news for our gun nuts fans:
Armed staff policy at Butler County school district illegal, Ohio Supreme Court says

CINCINNATI (FOX19) - A southwestern Ohio school district’s controversial policy allowing 10 teachers and other staff members to carry weapons on campus with just 24 hours of training is illegal, the state’s top court said Wednesday.

Madison Local Schools must follow current state law that requires more extensive training or 20 years peace officer’s experience, the 4-3 decision reads.

Ohio law permits school boards to decide whether to allow teachers and other staff to carry guns into school buildings.

But state lawmakers have mandated that they be well-trained with 728 hours first.

In 2018, in the wake of a shooting at one of its schools in 2016, Madison City Schools in Butler County approved a policy allowing armed staff with 24 hours training, including eight earned at a one-day class to obtain a license to carry a concealed weapon.
https://www.fox19.com/2021/01/12/armed- ... e-court-2/

Background checks blocked a record high 300,000 gun sales

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — The number of people stopped from buying guns through the U.S. background check system hit an all-time high of more than 300,000 last year amid a surge of firearm sales, according to new records obtained by the group Everytown for Gun Safety.

The FBI numbers provided to The Associated Press show the background checks blocked nearly twice as many gun sales in 2020 as in the year before. About 42% of those denials were because the would-be buyers had felony convictions on their records.

The increase in blocked gun sales largely tracks with the record-setting surge in sales that took hold along with the coronavirus pandemic and has continued into this year, through historic demonstrations against police brutality, deep political divisions and an insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.

It comes as Congress has failed to pass major legislation on guns despite the Democratic majority and President Joe Biden’s push. A bill that would strengthen background checks is stalled in the Senate. The House in March passed the legislation requiring the checks on all sales and transfers, as well as an expanded 10-day review for gun purchases. Most states require background checks only for sales at federally licensed dealers. But the legislation faces an uphill battle getting any Republican support in the Senate.
https://apnews.com/article/gun-backgrou ... 0441a?s=09

9th Circuit Appeals Court blocks the overturn of California's assault weapons ban

The US 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has blocked a federal judge's controversial ruling that overturned California's longtime ban on assault weapons, in which he likened the AR-15 to a Swiss Army knife.
In an order Monday, a three-judge panel on the federal appeals court issued a stay of US District Judge Roger Benitez's order earlier this month that overturned California's three-decade old assault weapons ban.
The state's current assault weapons laws will remain in effect while further proceedings continue, California Attorney General Rob Bonta said in a statement on Twitter.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/21/poli ... index.html

I knw, 9th circuit bad. :mrgreen:





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3 family members killed in northeast Cedar Rapids shooting, fourth arrested

Driver shot in face during NC road rage encounter after water tossed from bottle splashes on car: sheriff | Fox News

Mob of Black men in Chicago yank from car and shoot a couple celebrating Puerto Rican Day

Teen dead, 2 men injured after shooting in northwest Houston, police say
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Witness wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:14 pm Some gun news for our gun nuts fans:
Armed staff policy at Butler County school district illegal, Ohio Supreme Court says

CINCINNATI (FOX19) - A southwestern Ohio school district’s controversial policy allowing 10 teachers and other staff members to carry weapons on campus with just 24 hours of training is illegal, the state’s top court said Wednesday.

Madison Local Schools must follow current state law that requires more extensive training or 20 years peace officer’s experience, the 4-3 decision reads.

Ohio law permits school boards to decide whether to allow teachers and other staff to carry guns into school buildings.

But state lawmakers have mandated that they be well-trained with 728 hours first.

In 2018, in the wake of a shooting at one of its schools in 2016, Madison City Schools in Butler County approved a policy allowing armed staff with 24 hours training, including eight earned at a one-day class to obtain a license to carry a concealed weapon.
https://www.fox19.com/2021/01/12/armed- ... e-court-2/
Hmm, 728 hours? at 8 hours a day, 5 days a week that’s 4 or 5 months of solid firearms training.

Apparently, the average police officer training in the US takes about 4 months… and afaik that is mostly non firearms.

This is a back door ban.
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Giz wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:35 pm This is a back door ban.
Wondered about that too, but I'm not in the know about your rules over there. Perhaps just a typo? :notsure:
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San Jose Will Force Gun Owners to Cover Costs of Gun Violence After Mass Shooting

It’s a national first, just weeks after the Valley Transportation Authority mass shooting left nine dead in the Bay Area’s deadliest massacre.

Just five weeks after last month’s massacre at a San Jose light-rail yard that left nine people dead, the city has taken unprecedented gun-control action.

In a unanimous vote Tuesday night, San Jose’s city council approved a national first that will see gun owners being forced to compensate taxpayers for the spiraling costs of gun violence. According to the San Francisco Chronicle, gun owners in California’s third-largest city will be required to take out liability insurance for their firearms, and pay an annual tax that will help fund emergency responses to gun-related calls.

In a news release ahead of Tuesday night’s vote, San Jose Mayor Sam Liccardo said: “While the Second Amendment protects the right to bear arms, it does not require taxpayers to subsidize gun ownership... We won’t magically end gun violence, but we stop paying for it. We can also better care for its victims, and reduce gun-related injuries and death.”

The vote came one month after 57-year-old Valley Transportation Authority employee Samuel Cassidy carried out the worst mass shooting in Bay Area history. On May 26, Cassidy shot nine of his colleagues dead and then, when the police showed up, he turned the gun on himself. After the shooting, investigators found rifles, shotguns, handguns, and around 25,000 rounds of ammunition at the gunman’s home.

According to the Chronicle, the exact details of the gun tax are yet to be worked out. City officials haven’t decided exactly how much they’ll charge gun owners each year as the cost will be determined after an academic study calculates how much gun violence costs the city. The mayor’s office recently estimated its costs at around $442 million every year.

The move is expected to face legal challenges from gun-rights groups.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/san-jose- ... s-shooting





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Woman shot in face during road rage incident; suspect arrested, sheriff says – WSOC TV

Pro golfer shot and killed on Georgia country club golf course

New Haven police: 2-year-old points gun at detectives

11 Suspects Now in Custody Following Armed Standoff Off I-95 in Mass.: Police – NBC Boston

Chicago expressway shooting on I-90/94 critically injures woman, 55: CFD

Boys, 8 and 9, face involuntary manslaughter charges for shooting 62-year-old South Carolina man
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Those are not usual. Why do you keep lying?
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Grammatron wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:57 am Those are not usual. Why do you keep lying?
Harsh words, Gram. What's your definition of "usual"?





From the "Moorish Sovereign Citizens":
Defendants involved in standoff on I-95 in Wakefield refuse to cooperate in court

...

The defendants, 10 men and a 17-year-old juvenile, say they are members of a group called Rise of the Moors. Several of their supporters were also in court, while others watched remotely, sometimes interrupting.

They face several charges including unlawful possession of a firearm and ammunition and the use of body armor in commission of a crime, in connection with the standoff that started early Saturday morning on Interstate 95 in Wakefield.

State police say they recovered three AR-15 rifles, two pistols, a bolt-action rifle, a shotgun and a short-barrel rifle.

The standoff began when a State Police trooper stopped to offer assistance to the vehicles he found on the side of the highway that were refueling.

The men, who were dressed in military fatigues and body armor and were armed with long guns and pistols, did not have licenses to carry firearms in Massachusetts, police said.

They told police they were traveling from Rhode Island to Maine to conduct what they called “training.”

Some of the defendants ran into the woods along the highway, leading to a standoff that lasted several hours and prompted the closure of the busy highway on a holiday weekend.
https://whdh.com/news/defendants-involv ... -in-court/





The unusual (as per Grammy):

17-year-old David Castro dies after being shot in the head while driving home from Astros game - ABC13 Houston

Victims of California synagogue shooting can sue gunmaker - ABC News

Man with concealed carry license steps in, shoots gunman who shot 3, Chicago police say | Crime-and-courts | qctimes.com

Alabama police: Nearly two dozen shots fired into Democratic state senator's home | TheHill

July 4th weekend shootings: More than 230 people fatally shot in shootings over the Fourth of July weekend - CNN

Military member shot during party near Oahu graveyard; police investigate weekend crimes
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Witness wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:44 am
Grammatron wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:57 am Those are not usual. Why do you keep lying?
Harsh words, Gram. What's your definition of "usual"?
Well usually no one gets shot.
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People wanted trump out and the Dems in. We are living with the consequences.
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Giz wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:24 pm People wanted trump out and the Dems in. We are living with the consequences.
I think more wanted Trump out than wanted to prevent Biden in. Other way around when it was Her Turn :freedom:

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Grammatron wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:46 am Well usually no one gets shot.
Depends how you see it.
There were 614 mass shootings in 2020 that fit the inclusion criteria of this article, resulting in 446 deaths and 2,515 injuries, for a total of 3,061 victims. Compared to the previous year, there were 180 more incidents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... es_in_2020
In 2020, gun violence killed nearly 20,000 Americans, according to data from the Gun Violence Archive, more than any other year in at least two decades. An additional 24,000 people died by suicide with a gun.

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That's 53 people per day, suicides excluded. You're just used to it.
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Witness wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:24 pm Depends how you see it.
I see it as an unusual tragedy or accident.
That's 53 people per day, suicides excluded. You're just used to it.
Or I understand how statistics work and cumulative data sets of USA population that are aggregated over such a large geographical area not necessarily representative of anything "usual."
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Is it time to bring up car accidents?

Or Hitler?

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Witness wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:24 pm
Grammatron wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:46 am Well usually no one gets shot.
Depends how you see it.

That's 53 people per day, suicides excluded. You're just used to it.
There are approximately 10 car fatalities a day in France. Adjusted for relative population compared to the USA, thats like 60 or so per day? Would you say dying in a car wreck is usual in France (but maybe some people don’t notice because they are just numb to it)?
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Doctor X wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:56 am Is it time to bring up car accidents?

Or Hitler?

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Look, say what you like about Hitler.

But in his defense, he *did* kill Hitler.
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Important alert,

It's opening day at Saratoga.

It's late in the day we're at race 7, but many days of good times ahead.
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Giz wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:00 am There are approximately 10 car fatalities a day in France. Adjusted for relative population compared to the USA, thats like 60 or so per day? Would you say dying in a car wreck is usual in France (but maybe some people don’t notice because they are just numb to it)?
As you dragged cars and some other country into it, as per Wiki there are annually and per 100,000 inhabitants:

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USA         12.4 deaths         (between Turkey, Chile, Moldova and Egypt…)
France      5 deaths
Switzerland 2.2 deaths
from car accidents.

So you're at the level of some third-world-ish countries, nothing to be proud of.

That being said, driving in France is no picnic, especially in the South. I remember traveling with my (ex) GF and it was nearly bumper to bumper at full speed on the highway, so we got fed up and took the small roads and that was pure bliss. (Ah! The suspicious looks in the small village cafés, ha ha!)

Add that in accidents 5 to 10 times more people get seriously hurt or mutilated than killed. So yes, I think we have become numb.
In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes, 30,296 deadly, killing 32,999, and injuring 2,239,000. About 2,000 children under 16 die every year in traffic collisions. Records indicate that there were 3,613,732 motor vehicle fatalities in the United States from 1899 to 2013.
Wiki again

Imagine the uproar: "I've made a marvelous invention. You'll absolutely love it, but it will kill 30,000 people a year and hurt many more." :mrgreen:
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Witness wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:46 am
Giz wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:00 am There are approximately 10 car fatalities a day in France. Adjusted for relative population compared to the USA, thats like 60 or so per day? Would you say dying in a car wreck is usual in France (but maybe some people don’t notice because they are just numb to it)?
As you dragged cars and some other country into it, as per Wiki there are annually and per 100,000 inhabitants:

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USA         12.4 deaths         (between Turkey, Chile, Moldova and Egypt…)
France      5 deaths
Switzerland 2.2 deaths
from car accidents.

So you're at the level of some third-world-ish countries, nothing to be proud of.

That being said, driving in France is no picnic, especially in the South. I remember traveling with my (ex) GF and it was nearly bumper to bumper at full speed on the highway, so we got fed up and took the small roads and that was pure bliss. (Ah! The suspicious looks in the small village cafés, ha ha!)

Add that in accidents 5 to 10 times more people get seriously hurt or mutilated than killed. So yes, I think we have become numb.
In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes, 30,296 deadly, killing 32,999, and injuring 2,239,000. About 2,000 children under 16 die every year in traffic collisions. Records indicate that there were 3,613,732 motor vehicle fatalities in the United States from 1899 to 2013.
Wiki again

Imagine the uproar: "I've made a marvelous invention. You'll absolutely love it, but it will kill 30,000 people a year and hurt many more." :mrgreen:
I make a simple point about whether deaths per day is noticeable and you have to get all defensive.

Anyway, as it excises you, about the US and French road deaths:

“Americans have a higher average yearly mileage than anyone else in the world. Americans drive 13,476 miles per year on average, which is nearly 30% more than Canadians, who are second on the list at 9,562. Other car-dependent countries include Australia (8,555), Italy (8,256), and France (7,424).”

You’ll note that American and French road deaths per capita are similar once you adjust for distance travelled.
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Giz wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:00 am I make a simple point about whether deaths per day is noticeable and you have to get all defensive.

Anyway, as it excises you, about the US and French road deaths:

“Americans have a higher average yearly mileage than anyone else in the world. Americans drive 13,476 miles per year on average, which is nearly 30% more than Canadians, who are second on the list at 9,562. Other car-dependent countries include Australia (8,555), Italy (8,256), and France (7,424).”

You’ll note that American and French road deaths per capita are similar once you adjust for distance travelled.
Another mind reader… .~

I wasn't defensive nor does it excite me. You just don't like unpleasant things being said about USA!USA!USA! :mrgreen:

But to get to the point, I don't think the deaths/mile is a good metric here: the US is a big country by European standards so life is organized differently there, i. e. you rely a lot on cars to get things done. In my opinion we should look at stats like: "What are my chances to get killed if I go shopping / to the movies / to my job", &c. Because these are the things we have or want to do and we (have to) take the risk independently of the distance.
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