## 'Murica

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The Eastern Puma Has Been Officially Declared Extinct

The species hasn't been spotted in the wild for over 80 years

Endangered to extinct

Many years prior to this tragic declaration, the species could be found in the eastern states of the country - particularly along the Mississippi River.

However, the Eastern Puma had been listed as an endangered species for some time - and hasn't been seen in the wild in over 80 years.

A formal notice from USFWS said: "Given the period of time that has passed without verification of even a single Eastern puma, the Service concludes that the last remaining members of this subspecies perished decades ago."

Human-caused

The cats' numbers have reportedly been dropping for over 100 years, in part due to hunting, habitat destruction, and systematic trapping.

The human-driven assault on pumas was, in part, motivated by the animals interfering with the farming of livestock.

[…]

Michael Robinson of the Center for Biological Diversity said: "We need large carnivores like cougars to keep the wild food web healthy. Cougars would curb deer overpopulation and tick-borne diseases that threaten human health."
https://www.plantbasednews.org/post/eas ... ed-extinct

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Witness wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:51 am
The Eastern Puma Has Been Officially Declared Extinct
https://www.plantbasednews.org/post/eas ... ed-extinct
As a species, it never really existed in the first place. It's a cougar. Hardly endangered much less extinct.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/201 ... tinct-spd/

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Rob Lister wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:59 am
As a species, it never really existed in the first place. It's a cougar. Hardly endangered much less extinct.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/201 ... tinct-spd/
The whole species/subspecies subject is difficult (to not say murky), you'll get as many opinions as there are biologists studying the beast. And there are ecological, behavioral and even twin (distinguishable only by genetics) species/subspecies.
And hybrids (e. g. the red wolf in the US).

But I think the interesting point was that healthy deer herds need somebody to eat the old/sick. Which also keeps the herds smaller (they split up) and less prone to parasites. (You don't want to get Lyme disease.)
When the Swiss reintroduced the lynx in the Jura mountains it worked wonders on the chamois herds, which had become a nuisance.

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Witness wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:04 am
Rob Lister wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:59 am
As a species, it never really existed in the first place. It's a cougar. Hardly endangered much less extinct.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/201 ... tinct-spd/
The whole species/subspecies subject is difficult (to not say murky), you'll get as many opinions as there are biologists studying the beast. And there are ecological, behavioral and even twin (distinguishable only by genetics) species/subspecies.
And hybrids (e. g. the red wolf in the US).

But I think the interesting point was that healthy deer herds need somebody to eat the old/sick. Which also keeps the herds smaller (they split up) and less prone to parasites. (You don't want to get Lyme disease.)
When the Swiss reintroduced the lynx in the Jura mountains it worked wonders on the chamois herds, which had become a nuisance.
But in the range of the Eastern Puma, deer populations are adequately (and profitably!) culled by humans anyway. The individual state's Departments of Game are very adept at maintaining their stocks appropriately. Virginia, as one example: https://www.dgif.virginia.gov/wildlife/ ... stsummary/
Wherein for 2017 Virginia issued ~200,000 deer* hunting permits at $23 a pop;$4.6 million in revenue to manage that program. And that number is only a fraction of what they bring in for other game.

* 200,000 represents roughly a fourth of the total deer population for the state.

OTOH, I'm all for reintroducing the cougar just to make it more interesting for the human hunters, their pets and children.

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Rob Lister wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:07 am
OTOH, I'm all for reintroducing the cougar just to make it more interesting for the human hunters, their pets and children.
I approve, but they are pathetically inefficient:

http://tchester.org/sgm/lists/lion_attacks.html

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Hmmm, it says zero snow to close schools in Mississippi,but it forgets there are also zero schools

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A map that probably corresponds nicely with actual average annual snowfall. You can even see the effect of mountains, both the Appalachians in the east and the Rockies in the west.
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Anaxagoras wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:14 pm
A map that probably corresponds nicely with actual average annual snowfall.
And with counties that own snowplows.

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Mutant blue-eyed coyotes spreading through California

Five coyotes with baby blues, an eye color not seen elsewhere, were photographed in California—suggesting the rare trait is proliferating.

https://www.thethings.com/mutant-blue-e ... alifornia/

Now, Gram, really!…

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Giz
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“The purpose of literature is to turn blood into ink.”
― T.S. Eliot (Obviously on a retainer from Grifols)

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Witness wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:27 am
What's especially perfect about this one is the probable western European reaction is it shows what's wrong with the USA,
but in the USA the typical reaction is it shows what's right.

So nobody gets mad at the other guy for posting it.
The arc of the moral universe bends towards chaos.
People who believe God or History are on their side provide the chaos.

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Rob Lister wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:07 am
OTOH, I'm all for reintroducing the cougar just to make it more interesting for the human hunters, their pets and children.
Harping on, a relief for Rob:
Colorado jogger strangles mountain lion after attack on trail

The man was running on a trail when the juvenile cougar attacked him from behind, biting and clawing his face, back, legs and arms, state and local officials said in a joint statement late on Monday.

During the struggle, the man strangled the wild animal with his bare hands, Colorado Parks and Wildlife spokeswoman Rebecca Ferrell said by phone on Tuesday.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-colo ... reddit.com

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El Paso Zoo will name a cockroach after your ex and feed it to their meerkats

Not only can you name a cockroach after your ex at the El Paso Zoo, but on Valentine’s Day the zoo will be feeding those cockroaches to the meerkats for their “Quit Bugging Me” event at 2:15 p.m. Feb. 14.

You can submit the name of yours or your friend’s ex by sending a direct message to the El Paso Zoo Facebook page by Feb. 10. On Valentine’s Day, zoo staff will decorate the meerkat exhibit with the submitted names and shortly after, in honor of those names, the meerkats will be fed cockroaches.

“This is a fun way to get the community involved in our daily enrichment activities,” said El Paso Zoo Event Coordinator Sarah Borrego. “The meerkats love to get cockroaches as a snack and what better way to celebrate Valentine’s Day than by feeding them a cockroach named after your ex!”

The public is invited to attend the “Quit Bugging Me” event. The zoo will also show the event on Facebook Live and the meerkat webcam available on the zoo’s website www.elpasozoo.org.
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/el-pas ... r-meerkats

Such cruelty! (To the cockroaches, I mean.)

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That's one brave (or rilly rilly hungry) bird to have enough nerve to get that close (and linger that long) to a known predator species who is also wielding a lethal weapon. Kudos to the nice guy for letting the bird pilfer his meat.

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xouper wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:10 am
That's one brave (or rilly rilly hungry) bird to have enough nerve to get that close (and linger that long) to a known predator species who is also wielding a lethal weapon. Kudos to the nice guy for letting the bird pilfer his meat.
Not just any bird.

He's paying his buck-o-five.
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