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Re: The UK thread

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:53 pm

Looks like the Markles are backing down.

Meghan Markle plans to move to Los Angeles only after Trump leaves office, report (Fox)
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle reportedly want to make Los Angeles their new home following the announcement that they will "step back" as members of the Royal Family, but only after Donald Trump's presidency ends.

Even though the couple plans to live in Canada to start off, their true goal is to eventually have a home or business in Los Angeles, anonymous sources told the Daily Mail.

...
So. Still living in one of her mother-in-law's realms.

And who is to say whoever replaces Trump will be to her liking?

Mexican illegal aliens are not so snooty. One reason I like them better. :wink:
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Re: The UK thread

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:56 pm

BTW, did she lose her US citizenship when she married Harry?

You know, like people lose their American citizenship serving in a foreign army.
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Re: The UK thread

Post by Witness » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:19 am


Britain’s Prince Harry has said the memory of his mother Diana’s death more than two decades ago was still incredibly raw and he would not be bullied into “playing the game” with the media that he believes killed her.

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Re: The UK thread

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:35 am

Witness wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:36 pm
Now to the Important Things©:

'Rogue royals'? Pundits furious over Harry and Meghan's step back

Announcement by pair that they are stepping back from public life brings hysterical response

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s decision to step back from public life has provoked vitriolic attacks on the couple and hyperbolic predictions on what it could mean for the monarchy.

The announcement came after Prince Harry and Meghan criticised media intrusion and launched legal action against the Mail on Sunday. This, along with reports that the couple’s decision has upset the Queen, appears to have fuelled the ferocity of the reaction.

Meghan and Harry are “the two most spoiled brats in history”, according to broadcaster and former Mirror editor, Piers Morgan.

After the news broke on Wednesday night, Morgan launched a Twitter tirade against Meghan and Harry that has continued on Thursday. He said the death of his mother Diana did not give Harry “licence to treat the Queen so appallingly”.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... al-rupture


He has to work on his smile, I'd say. :notsure:
Regarding their complaints about the British tabloids, I came across this:
Here Are 20 Headlines Comparing Meghan Markle To Kate Middleton That Might Show Why She And Prince Harry Are Cutting Off Royal Reporters
I'll just show one example of many:
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Also, the very fact that this is the sort of thing these tabloids consider worthy of a story in the first place speaks volumes. "Pregnant Woman Holds Her Tummy" :roll:

But when one woman does it, it's adorable, and when another one does the same thing, it's a sign of vanity or something. :roll:
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Re: The UK thread

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:43 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:56 pm
BTW, did she lose her US citizenship when she married Harry?

You know, like people lose their American citizenship serving in a foreign army.
I don't know, but it doesn't happen automatically. If you want to renounce your US citizenship you have to go to an embassy or consulate or something like that and tell an official in person and sign an oath. To the best of my knowledge, at least generally, you can't lose your citizenship unless you take active steps to renounce it.

Here's the official government website:
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel ... broad.html
A person wishing to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship:

1. appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer,
2. in a foreign country at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate; and
3. sign an oath of renunciation

Renunciations abroad that do not meet the conditions described above have no legal effect. Because of the provisions of Section 349(a)(5), U.S. citizens can only renounce their citizenship in person, and therefore cannot do so by mail, electronically, or through agents. In fact, U.S. courts have held certain attempts to renounce U.S. citizenship to be ineffective on a variety of grounds, as discussed below.
You can't even have your lawyer do it for you with a power of attorney. You have to do it in person at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate in a foreign country.
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Re: The UK thread

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:23 pm

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Re: The UK thread

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:38 pm

I won't say I feel sorry for the Duchess, but I think I do understand her side of it.

She suddenly found out being a Princess is a real job and a demanding one, plus her boss is her mother-in-law.
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Re: The UK thread

Post by Witness » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:26 am

Are Schoolchildren Now Under Political Surveillance?

Byline Times has uncovered a disturbing tale of apparent censorship of students protesting against the Prime Minister using Stormzy’s rallying call to the young.

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An Instagram account set up by students containing a photo of the words “F*uck Boris” graffitied in the school toilets was shut down after it was identified using software by a “central government social media team”, which then ordered the local MP to contact the school and get the account removed, according to a shocked parent.

The parent of a student close to the incident, who wishes to remain anonymous, contacted Byline Times because they were in “utter shock that this is happening in the UK in 2020” as it “has the look and feel of 1930s fascism”.

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An email sent by the school’s assistant headteacher, which has been seen by Byline Times, said: “This [Instagram] account had not been stumbled across by our local MP but had been identified by the central Government social media team who have software which identifies accounts such as the one which they had created. They then passed their findings to our local MP who then contacted us.”

The parent who contacted Byline Times said that, following the Instagram account being shut down, the students involved were told by the school that any such future incidents could damage their careers and future prospects.

“This is obviously good advice but, at the same time, it’s quite worrying that it essentially stymies and shuts down any other sort of thinking,” the parent told Byline Times. “I find that quite dangerous and scary, that teenage school kids are being tracked by robots controlled by central Government. It’s a rural school, we’re a nothing town in the middle of nowhere.”

The parent claims that the students were “genuinely quite scared by the fact that they thought they did something quite innocent and actually had the might of central government come down on them”.

“Why and how is central Government able to do this?” they added. “Why are they allowed to keep us under surveillance? Why are they allowed to silence opposition? Why are they allowed direct control over our schools? This is state-sanctioned intimidation and needs exposing.”
https://bylinetimes.com/2020/01/10/fck- ... overnment/

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Re: The UK thread

Post by Witness » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:19 am

Jobs of the future may not have stable hours, holiday pay, sick pay, or pensions, DWP secretary says

Damian Green describes development in the labour market as 'exciting'

Jobs of the future may not have stable hours, holiday pay, sick pay, or pensions, the Work and Pensions Secretary has said.

Damian Green described the trend in employment practices towards the so-called “gig economy” as “exciting” and said the changes had “huge potential”.

The Cabinet minister’s endorsement of the approach comes a month after an employment tribunal found that drivers for the Uber car service should in fact get the minimum wage and paid holiday. The tribunal dismissed the taxi company’s claim that its drivers were in fact self–employed and not entitled to these rights.

Mr Green said in a speech at the Reform think-tank on Wednesday morning: “Just a few years ago the idea of a proper job meant a job that brings in a fixed monthly salary, with fixed hours, paid holidays, sick pay, a pension scheme and other contractual benefits.

“But the gig economy has changed all that. We’ve seen the rise of the everyday entrepreneur. People now own their time and control who receives their services and when.

“They can pick and mix their employers, their hours, their offices, their holiday patterns. This is one of the most significant developments in the labour market. The potential is huge and the change is exciting.”

He said the Government had launched the Taylor Review into employment practices to make sure that “employment rights keep up with employment practices”.

He also used the speech to argue that the private sector and voluntary sector should be more involved in the provision of welfare services.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 21071.html

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Re: The UK thread

Post by Giz » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:30 pm

Witness wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:19 am
Jobs of the future may not have stable hours, holiday pay, sick pay, or pensions, DWP secretary says

Damian Green describes development in the labour market as 'exciting'

Jobs of the future may not have stable hours, holiday pay, sick pay, or pensions, the Work and Pensions Secretary has said.

Damian Green described the trend in employment practices towards the so-called “gig economy” as “exciting” and said the changes had “huge potential”.

The Cabinet minister’s endorsement of the approach comes a month after an employment tribunal found that drivers for the Uber car service should in fact get the minimum wage and paid holiday. The tribunal dismissed the taxi company’s claim that its drivers were in fact self–employed and not entitled to these rights.

Mr Green said in a speech at the Reform think-tank on Wednesday morning: “Just a few years ago the idea of a proper job meant a job that brings in a fixed monthly salary, with fixed hours, paid holidays, sick pay, a pension scheme and other contractual benefits.

“But the gig economy has changed all that. We’ve seen the rise of the everyday entrepreneur. People now own their time and control who receives their services and when.

“They can pick and mix their employers, their hours, their offices, their holiday patterns. This is one of the most significant developments in the labour market. The potential is huge and the change is exciting.”

He said the Government had launched the Taylor Review into employment practices to make sure that “employment rights keep up with employment practices”.

He also used the speech to argue that the private sector and voluntary sector should be more involved in the provision of welfare services.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 21071.html

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http://london.sonoma.edu/writings/peopleoftheabyss/

(Jack london’s Account of a very exciting gig economy in London: the people of the abyss)

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Re: The UK thread

Post by Witness » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:18 pm

UK police use of facial recognition tests public’s tolerance

LONDON (AP) — When British police used facial recognition cameras to monitor crowds arriving for a soccer match in Wales, some fans protested by covering their faces. In a sign of the technology’s divisiveness, even the head of a neighboring police force said he opposed it.

The South Wales police deployed vans equipped with the technology outside Cardiff stadium this week as part of a long-running trial in which officers scanned people in real time and detained anyone blacklisted from attending for past misbehavior. Rights activists and team supporters staged a protest before the game between Cardiff City and Swansea City, wearing masks, balaclavas or scarves around their faces.

“It’s disproportionate to the risk,” said Vince Alm, chairman of the Football Supporters’ Association Wales, which helped organized the protest. “Football fans feel as if they’re being picked on” and used as guinea pigs to test new technology, he said.

The real-time surveillance being tested in Britain is among the more aggressive uses of facial recognition in Western democracies and raises questions about how the technology will enter people’s daily lives. Authorities and companies are eager to use it, but activists warn it threatens human rights.

The British have long become used to video surveillance, with one of the highest densities of CCTV cameras in the world. Cameras have been used in public spaces for decades by security forces fighting threats from the Irish Republican Army and, more recently, domestic terror attacks after Sept. 11, 2001.

The recent advances in surveillance technology mean a new wave of facial recognition systems will put the public’s acceptance to the test.

South Wales police have taken the lead in Britain. In 2017 they started rolling out and testing face scanning cameras after getting a government funding grant. While a court last year ruled the force’s trial is lawful, regulators and lawmakers have yet to draw up statutory rules on its use.

The van-mounted cameras, using technology by Japan’s NEC, scan faces in crowds and match them up with a “watchlist,” a database mainly of people wanted for or suspected of a crime. If the system flags up someone passing by, officers stop that person to investigate further, according to the force’s website.

Rights groups say this kind of monitoring raises worries about privacy, consent, algorithmic accuracy, and questions about about how faces are added to watchlists.

It’s “an alarming example of overpolicing,” said Silkie Carlo, director of privacy campaign group Big Brother Watch. “We’re deeply concerned about the undemocratic nature of it. This is a very controversial technology which has no explicit basis in law.”
https://apnews.com/7266356b2c244e3970afeabeaeb48e49

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:26 pm

UK thread or shitpost? UK thread or shitpost? :notsure:

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Re: The UK thread

Post by Witness » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:29 am

More beavers:
Cumbria's Eden Valley to see reintroduction of beavers

The animals, which were hunted to extinction in the UK in the 16th Century, will be introduced to the Lake District for the first time in a trial.

Efforts to return the species to other parts of the UK, including Yorkshire and Somerset , are also under way.

The government-approved trial will look at how beavers restore small farmland streams and can aid flood prevention.

The Penrith-based Lowther Estate is part of the Cumbria Beaver Group, which also includes Cumbria Wildlife Trust, the RSPB and Eden Rivers Trust, which is working towards the managed return of beavers to the area.

A family of beavers, with an adult male and female and up to four kits, will be taken from the Tay catchment in Scotland where beavers have been living wild since escaping or being illegally released some years ago.

The plan is to release them in March into a 27-acre fenced enclosure of woodland, grassland and wetland which the scheme's backers hope the animals will help transform into an even richer habitat.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-engla ... cRmdCgm13M

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Re: The UK thread

Post by ed » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:36 am

Thought that beavers caused flooding and were not the best things for the environment, if you idea of a good environment is a museum diorama.
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Re: The UK thread

Post by Rob Lister » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:08 am

Witness wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:29 am
More beavers:
The government-approved trial will look at how beavers restore small farmland streams and can aid flood prevention.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-engla ... cRmdCgm13M
ed wrote:Thought that beavers caused flooding and were not the best things for the environment, if you idea of a good environment is a museum diorama.
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A single beaver will turn a farmland irrigation stream into land-covering ponds in no time at all, and causing a flood every spring. That's what they do. The idea it will restore anything is foolish. Getting rid of beaver dams is a profitable industry in the U.S.



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STATE OF MICHIGAN

Reply to:
GRAND RAPIDS DISTRICT OFFICE
STATE OFFICE BUILDING 6TH FLOOR
350 OTTAWA NW
GRAND RAPIDS MI 49503-2341

JOHN ENGLER, Governor
DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY
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RUSSELL J. HARDING, Director

December 17, 1997

CERTIFIED

Mr. Ryan DeVries
2088 Dagget
Pierson, MI 49339

Dear Mr. DeVries:

SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023-1 T11N, R10W, Sec. 20, Montcalm County

It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity:

Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files show that no permits have been issued.

Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301,. Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws annotated. The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris dams and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all unauthorized activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the strewn channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 1998. Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request, or any further unauthorized activity on the site, may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action. We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter.

Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions.

Sincerely,

David L. Price
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Reply:

1/6/98

David L. Price
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Land and Water Management Division
Grand Rapids District Office
State Office Bldg., 6th Floor
350 Ottawa, N.W.
Grand Rapids, MI 49503-2341

Dear Mr. Price:

Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N, R10W, Sec 20; Montcalm County

Your certified letter dated 12/17/97 has been handed to me to respond to. You sent out a great deal of carbon copies to a lot of people, but you neglected to include their addresses. You will, therefore, have to send them a copy of my response.

First of all, Mr. Ryan DeVries is not the legal landowner and/or contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan — I am the legal owner and a couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, nor authorize their dam project, I think they would be highly offended you call their skillful use of natural building materials "debris". I would like to challenge you to attempt to emulate their dam project any dam time and/or any dam place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no dam way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic.

As to your dam request the beavers first must fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity, my first dam question to you is: are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers or do you require all dam beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, please send me completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws annotated.

My first concern is — aren't the dam beavers entitled to dam legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said dam representation — so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event causing dam flooding is proof we should leave the dam Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names. If you want the dam stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition — contact the dam beavers — but if you are going to arrest them (they obviously did not pay any dam attention to your dam letter — being unable to read English) — be sure you read them their dam Miranda first.

As for me, I am not going to cause more dam flooding or dam debris jams by interfering with these dam builders. If you want to hurt these dam beavers — be aware I am sending a copy of your dam letter and this response to PETA. If your dam Department seriously finds all dams of this nature inherently hazardous and truly will not permit their existence in this dam State — I seriously hope you are not selectively enforcing this dam policy — or once again both I and the Spring Pond Beavers will scream prejudice!

In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their dam unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more dam right than I to live and enjoy Spring Pond. So, as far as I and the beavers are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more dam elevated enforcement action now. Why wait until 1/31/98? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then, and there will be no dam way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then. In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention a real environmental quality (health) problem; bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the dam beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!)

Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office.

Sincerely,

Stephen L. Tvedten

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Re: The UK thread

Post by Witness » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:08 pm

UK to press ahead with digital tax despite US pressure, Javid insists

Washington threatens retaliation over 2% levy on giant tech companies

The chancellor, Sajid Javid, has insisted that the UK will go ahead with plans for a tax on giant tech companies this spring despite intensifying pressure from the US to drop the idea.

The US treasury secretary, Steven Mnuchin, said the proposed digital services tax discriminated against US multinationals and there would be retaliation – probably a tax on UK car exports to the US – if the 2% levy were imposed in April.

Speaking on a panel in Davos that included Mnuchin and the head of the International Monetary Fund, Kristalina Georgieva, Javid said: “We plan to go ahead with our digital services tax in April.

“It is a proportionate tax, and a tax that is deliberately designed as a temporary tax.”

France is preparing to drop its own plan for a 3% levy on the total annual revenues of the largest technology firms providing services to French consumers.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... id-insists

Italy too wants to introduce that kind of tax.

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Re: The UK thread

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:22 pm

There is no such thing as a temporary tax.
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Re: The UK thread

Post by Witness » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:32 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
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There is no such thing as a temporary tax.
Tangential point. The real one, to the Brits, is this:

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We'll see how hard the UK will get screwed, but it will. :mrgreen:

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Re: The UK thread

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:36 pm

I don't have any objection to whatever taxes they find expedient on those who do business in their country, even in cases where I would object to similar in the USA. That's what having different countries is all about. 8)

But no stuff and nonsense about taxes being temporary. :p
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Re: The UK thread

Post by Witness » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:44 pm

We are talking of different things.