The UK thread

ceptimus · Post by **ceptimus** » Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:11 am

The write-up says that the text may have been copied from a 2008 EU law.

So the EU were about ten years behind the times then, and whichever side wrote the latest document is now a further twelve years on top of that.

Witness · Post by **Witness** » Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:52 am

Hotarubi wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:10 am New Brexit deal deems Netscape Browser and Mozilla Mail as secure software.

Beat me to it.

https://barristerblogger.com/2020/12/29 ... h-penalty/

In other news: Covid: Sydney beach party sparks 'backpacker' deportation threat. (Allegedly Brits involved…)

Hotarubi · Post by **Hotarubi** » Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:08 am

Witness wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:52 am

https://barristerblogger.com/2020/12/29 ... h-penalty/

Just about every home secretary I can remember has "scoped" the death penalty Not real news.

Mind you, Patel is a darkie and must be evil.

Witness · Post by **Witness** » Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:23 am

Hotarubi wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:08 am Just about every home secretary I can remember has "scoped" the death penalty Not real news.

Mind you, Patel is a darkie and must be evil.

Thanks for clearing that up. Now I wonder what's behind that recurrent drive? (You know I'm not from the UK, English isn't even one of my mother tongues, so any correction is most welcome.)

As for point two I get it in a general sense, but given the source here…

Doctor X · Post by **Doctor X** » Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:33 am

I could take him seriously if he could spell "penalty."

– J.D.

Hotarubi · Post by **Hotarubi** » Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:18 pm

Witness wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:23 am Thanks for clearing that up. Now I wonder what's behind that recurrent drive? (You know I'm not from the UK, English isn't even one of my mother tongues, so any correction is most welcome.)

This time? Brexit. A hurdle for the instituting the death penalty has been removed.

I say hurdle - because that's exactly what it was. The UK could bypass Euro "laws" at anytime it wanted to. Something the Brexiters detest being reminded of or didn't even know.

As for other times? Its usually a crowd appeasement move in response to a brutal crime involving photogenic white female middle class victim that has got the masses all agitated and "angin's too good fir 'em!"

As for point two I get it in a general sense, but given the source here…

Im not a great fan, but Patel gets a ton of unwarranted criticism at the moment. Its tedious to be honest. Just a general "meh."

Witness · Post by **Witness** » Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:26 pm

Pfizer warns there is NO proof its Covid jab works when doses are taken 12 weeks apart as UK regulator scraps 21-day rule in desperate attempt to get millions more vaccinated

Regulator now recommending jabs are given in two doses three months apart

Originally Pfizer and Oxford jabs intended to be injected in space of four weeks

Change in strategy is to cope with spiking Covid cases and hospitalisations

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... gimen.html

Hotarubi · Post by **Hotarubi** » Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:00 am

London Mayoral election 2021 candidate:

"Within the next 150 years we might....just might, have a new Labour leader."

Funniest line I've heard for weeks. In fact all year apart from Martin Clunes on "Have I got news for you" winding Ian Hislop up. Ill see if I can dig it up

Anaxagoras · Post by **Anaxagoras** » Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:55 pm

Witness wrote: ↑Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:26 pm
Pfizer warns there is NO proof its Covid jab works when doses are taken 12 weeks apart as UK regulator scraps 21-day rule in desperate attempt to get millions more vaccinated

Regulator now recommending jabs are given in two doses three months apart

Originally Pfizer and Oxford jabs intended to be injected in space of four weeks

Change in strategy is to cope with spiking Covid cases and hospitalisations

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... gimen.html

I don't know, but I suspect it will work just as well after 3 months as after 3 weeks. And this strategy has the potential to cover more people sooner than re-vaccinating people who have already been vaccinated once before others get their first shot. I would make an exception for the most vulnerable though: the elderly and those with conditions that make them more vulnerable.

Pyrrho · Post by **Pyrrho** » Fri Jan 01, 2021 2:34 pm

FWIW

https://www.fda.gov/media/144325/download

Pages 49 and 50 are relevant.

Witness · Post by **Witness** » Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:17 pm

Covid: Illegal New Year party at Essex church broken up

A 500-year-old church was damaged during an illegal New Year's Eve party at the venue.

All Saints' Church in East Horndon, near Brentwood, was broken into before crowds entered, Essex Police said.

Officers were threatened and had objects thrown at them as they dispersed hundreds of people and seized equipment, the force said.

Two men from Harlow, aged 27 and 22, and a 35-year-old from Southwark were arrested.

They were held on suspicion of public order and drugs offences.

Astrid Gillespie, a volunteer with the Friends of All Saints', said event organisers had smashed a window to put in an extractor fan unit and wired sound equipment into the church's fuse box.

She said: "It was a professional set-up, they'd hired Portaloos, they had a bar area where you had to exchange tokens... obviously it's a mess.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-essex-55506681

Giz · Post by **Giz** » Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:46 pm

Messed up knaves

asthmatic camel · Post by **asthmatic camel** » Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:46 pm

Witness · Post by **Witness** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:51 am

Donald Trump told by Nicola Sturgeon he's not allowed to play golf in Scotland during Joe Biden inauguration

There have been suggestions the outgoing US president could boycott his successor's inauguration ceremony on 20 January.

Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon cautioned the outgoing US leader that playing a round would not be deemed an "essential purpose" for transatlantic travel into the country during the ongoing COVID crisis.

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump ... n-12180046

Anaxagoras · Post by **Anaxagoras** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:49 am

Rob Lister · Post by **Rob Lister** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:41 pm

I wonder how he really feels.

Witness · Post by **Witness** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:29 am

Tories urged to suspend politicians who likened US violence to anti-Brexit protests

Senior party figures equated storming of US Capitol by supporters of Donald Trump with people opposing Brexit

The Conservatives are to investigate two senior Tory figures who equated the storming of the US Capitol by supporters of Donald Trump with people opposing Brexit, after complaints from Labour.

The party is to look into tweets sent by Susan Hall, the Tory group leader on the London assembly, and Andrew RT Davies, formerly leader of the Welsh Conservatives.

Angela Rayner, Labour’s deputy leader and party chair, wrote to Amanda Milling, who chairs the Conservative party, to say she was “deeply concerned” at the comments.

Davies, who is a member of the Senedd Cymru and shadow minister for health, responded to a tweet by Keir Starmer condemning the scenes in Washington by noting the Labour leader’s former support for a second Brexit referendum.

Davies wrote: “To be honest I’m not sure you’re in the strongest position right now given you campaigned to overturn democracy and the will of the British people.”

In her tweet, Hall said she was “flabbergasted at the amount of remainers screaming on Twitter that Trump voters should respect democracy – err, hellooo – pot – kettle spring to mind!”

Hall later apparently deleted the tweet, but sent another tweet calling the Green MP Caroline Lucas, another supporter of a second Brexit vote, a “hypocrite” for condemning the violent Trump supporters.

Milling is to write to Hall and Davies to warn them about the consequences of such language. A Conservative party spokesperson said: “The scenes in Washington last night were disgraceful and unacceptable. We totally condemn them. We are investigating these comments.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... t-protests

Hotarubi · Post by **Hotarubi** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:24 am

Unaware of any of the buildings in Whitehall being occupied.

Doctor X · Post by **Doctor X** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:44 am

Well you are in lock down.

– J.D.

Pyrrho · Post by **Pyrrho** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:49 pm

Link: https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/1347485129523023872

Hotarubi · Post by **Hotarubi** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:10 pm

Doctor X wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:44 am Well you are in lock down.

– J.D.

Not then.

Hotarubi · Post by **Hotarubi** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:14 pm

The train. Not the crew.

Giz · Post by **Giz** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:49 am

At the risk of dragging Scotland into the UK thread, sounds like the sturgeon/ salmon snp civil war is heating up.

“ The former SNP leader is allegedly accusing his one-time protege of misleading the Holyrood parliament and contravening the ministerial code. If true, that would be the end of Sturgeon’s premiership.”

Has sturgeon been up to something fishy, or is salmond floundering?

Witness · Post by **Witness** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:13 am

Is that stuff even drinkable?

Anaxagoras · Post by **Anaxagoras** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:12 pm

Covid: Women on exercise trip 'surrounded by police'

Two women out for a walk in the park.

Two women have described how they were surrounded by police, read their rights and fined £200 each after driving five miles to take a walk.
The women were also told the hot drinks they had brought along were not allowed as they were "classed as a picnic".
Guidance for the current lockdown says people can travel for exercise as long as it is in their "local area".
The police force involved, Derbyshire Police, said driving for exercise was "not in the spirit" of lockdown.
One of the would-be walkers, Jessica Allen, assumed "someone had been murdered" when she arrived at Foremark Reservoir on Wednesday afternoon.

"As we drove in there was a police van, a police car, and there were loads of police there," said Ms Allen, who lives in Ashby-de-la-Zouch in Leicestershire.
"I genuinely thought someone had been murdered; the place is normally so quiet. The next thing, my car is surrounded. I got out of my car thinking 'There's no way they're coming to speak to us'. Straight away they start questioning us.
"One of them started reading my rights and I was looking at my friend thinking 'This must be a joke'.
"I said we had come in separate cars, even parked two spaces away and even brought our own drinks with us. He said 'You can't do that as it's classed as a picnic'."

Seems a bit extreme.

How far can you travel for exercise?
Guidance issued by the Cabinet Office states that people can leave their homes for exercise but should not travel outside their "local area".
However, the actual legislation does not specify a maximum distance that people are allowed to travel for exercise.
Both the guidance and legislation state people can exercise with one other person, as Jessica Allen and Eliza Moore did.
Human rights barrister Adam Wagner said: "There is no law against travelling to exercise. The guidance is not legally binding and the police have no power to enforce it unless it is reflected in the lockdown regulations which in this case it is not."
Derbyshire Police said: "It is up to each individual officer on a case-by-case basis to decide what is reasonable as the legislation does not proscribe a distance."

Hotarubi · Post by **Hotarubi** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:13 pm

Witness wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:13 am

Is that stuff even drinkable?

Anaxagoras · Post by **Anaxagoras** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:07 pm

Who could have imagined that there would be such demand for free beer.

Hotarubi · Post by **Hotarubi** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:16 pm

Taking the piss. Which is of course, ironic.

Hotarubi · Post by **Hotarubi** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:19 pm

I've moved 10,000 in three hours. Estimated time "more than an hour"...yeah, you covered yourselves there didn't you?

I tried emailing them to complain but I get placed in the same fucking queue.

Hotarubi · Post by **Hotarubi** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:09 pm

Anaxagoras wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:12 pm Covid: Women on exercise trip 'surrounded by police'

Two women out for a walk in the park.

Two women have described how they were surrounded by police, read their rights and fined £200 each after driving five miles to take a walk.
The women were also told the hot drinks they had brought along were not allowed as they were "classed as a picnic".
Guidance for the current lockdown says people can travel for exercise as long as it is in their "local area".
The police force involved, Derbyshire Police, said driving for exercise was "not in the spirit" of lockdown.
One of the would-be walkers, Jessica Allen, assumed "someone had been murdered" when she arrived at Foremark Reservoir on Wednesday afternoon.
"As we drove in there was a police van, a police car, and there were loads of police there," said Ms Allen, who lives in Ashby-de-la-Zouch in Leicestershire.
"I genuinely thought someone had been murdered; the place is normally so quiet. The next thing, my car is surrounded. I got out of my car thinking 'There's no way they're coming to speak to us'. Straight away they start questioning us.
"One of them started reading my rights and I was looking at my friend thinking 'This must be a joke'.
"I said we had come in separate cars, even parked two spaces away and even brought our own drinks with us. He said 'You can't do that as it's classed as a picnic'."
Seems a bit extreme.
How far can you travel for exercise?
Guidance issued by the Cabinet Office states that people can leave their homes for exercise but should not travel outside their "local area".
However, the actual legislation does not specify a maximum distance that people are allowed to travel for exercise.
Both the guidance and legislation state people can exercise with one other person, as Jessica Allen and Eliza Moore did.
Human rights barrister Adam Wagner said: "There is no law against travelling to exercise. The guidance is not legally binding and the police have no power to enforce it unless it is reflected in the lockdown regulations which in this case it is not."
Derbyshire Police said: "It is up to each individual officer on a case-by-case basis to decide what is reasonable as the legislation does not proscribe a distance."

Bit of common sense guys, pls. Although I'd guess their hands are tied.

I liked this:

Since Wednesday, when police stopped the two friends, Jessica said she has been "left feeling fearful" and hasn't left the house.

Good. Please stay there so I do not have to meet you at some point in the future you stupid little princess.

Hotarubi · Post by **Hotarubi** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:12 pm

Come ooooon, come ooooooooooooooooon...

Witness · Post by **Witness** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:53 pm

Hotarubi wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:12 pm Come ooooon, come ooooooooooooooooon...

I gather it's drinkable, then.

Just for the title (but it's a somewhat funny read): As the US descends into chaos, what better time for Britain to go the same way?

Hotarubi · Post by **Hotarubi** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:11 am

Fuck knows, I got all the way to checkout and they didn't apply the discount.

A suitably irate email was sent

Witness · Post by **Witness** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:31 am

The important thing […] is not to win, but to take part; the important thing in Life is not triumph, but the struggle; the essential thing is not to have conquered but to have fought well. To spread these principles is to build up a strong and more valiant and, above all, more scrupulous and more generous humanity.
– Pierre de Coubertin

Doctor X · Post by **Doctor X** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:08 am

How long will you have to wait to send it?

– J.D.

Hotarubi · Post by **Hotarubi** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:48 pm

58% of UK stag weekends deplatformed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... abis-cafes

Foreign visitors face ban from Amsterdam’s cannabis cafes
Proposals would allow only Dutch residents to enter city’s 166 marijuana-selling coffee shops.

====

Great, the one thing guaranteed to calm obnoxiously pissed English tourists the fuck down has been taken off the table.

Genius.

Does not mention the whores. So that might salvage the tourist trade to a certain extent.

Witness · Post by **Witness** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:22 am

↑ I hope the ladies are working in sexy hazmat suits?

Wetherspoon pub in Beeston vandalised over anti-lockdown posters in windows

Wetherspoon boss Tim Martin has repeatedly expressed his doubts over the effectiveness of lockdown

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/loc ... ti-4878541

Witness · Post by **Witness** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:40 am

The cringe starts at ~ 12:15.

Hotarubi · Post by **Hotarubi** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:35 am

Now, I have some... some sympathy with the contracted parties because of the short notice. I even have sympathy with handoncock because he probably had no clue who the contractors were.

But the results are just abject. And you did vote against it. And there's a better way.

Witness · Post by **Witness** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:38 am

The kingdom is dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed!

Bad omen? Tower of London raven missing, feared dead

Legend says at least six ravens must be kept at the castle or the kingdom will fall

One of the ravens at the Tower of London is feared to have died, in a potentially gloomy omen for Britain. It means that the tower is close to having fewer than six ravens, a level that would spell doom for the kingdom, according to legend.

Ravenmaster Christopher Skaife confirmed that one of the birds, Merlina, known as the queen of the tower’s unkindness of ravens, is presumed dead after being missing for weeks.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, Skaife said: “Merlina is a free-spirited raven and has been known to leave the tower precincts on many occasion. I’m her buddy and she normally comes back to us, but this time she didn’t. So, I do fear that she is not with us any more.” He added: “Just before Christmas, before we went into the lockdown, we were putting the ravens to bed, and she didn’t come back.”

If confirmed, Merlina’s death would bring the number of ravens at the tower to just seven. According to legend if two more were to die the tower and the kingdom would fall.

But Skaife said that if Merlina did not return, the tower did have a reserve raven to ensure that at least six remained.

He said: “We do have seven ravens here at the Tower of London, six by royal decree. And of course I still have a spare one, so we’re OK at the moment.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... eared-dead