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Re: The UK thread

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Re: The UK thread

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:30 pm

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Of course you are. :wink:
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Re: The UK thread

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:08 pm

Chinese ethnic group biggest earners in the UK
In 2018, employees from the Chinese ethnic group earned 30.9% more than white British employees.
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The female gap
The government has already introduced mandatory reporting on the gender pay gap - which stands at 9.6% in favour of men - and the ONS data also shows discrepancies in male and female earnings in the ethnic groups.
This number appears to be based on medians in each company.
The median pay gap is calculated by comparing the difference in pay between the middle-ranking woman and middle-ranking man in the same companies.
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Post by ed » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:16 pm

We had a lot of women working in an old employer. Lots came back after family and though they might have been in the same job as a man, they didn't have time in grade so their salary lagged. Sad but true.
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Re: The UK thread

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:21 pm

Hmm. Jews not separately as an ethnic group.

Also it would be more significant if White British were subdivided into separate groups by social class.
Or if you want to keep it ethnic, Anglo-Saxon and Anglo-Norman. :notsure:

I'm pretty sure in the USA the top three would be Chinese, Jews, Indians if it's a question of "hourly pay".
Would different for small business owners and different again for big business executives.
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Re: The UK thread

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:09 pm

Zoning dispute, UK style. :mrgreen:

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Re: The UK thread

Post by Witness » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:16 pm

I would take a bullet for Vladimir Putin, says ex-F1 chief Bernie Ecclestone

The controversial ex-F1 boss says the Russian president should be "running Europe" and that he is not a supporter of democracy.

According to the billionaire, Mr Putin would have been "too busy" to have been involved in the attack on former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia, who were poisoned with the nerve agent in March last year.

Mr Ecclestone, 88, told The Times: "If someone had a machine gun and was prepared to shoot Putin, I would stand in front of him.

"Why? Because he's a good guy. He's never done anything that isn't doing good things for people."

Mr Ecclestone also said he thought Mr Putin should be "running Europe" and that the invasion of Crimea was just to "bring Russia back together".
https://news.sky.com/story/i-would-take ... e-11759373

His Wiki page has something similar about another Conducator:
Hitler controversy

In a Times interview published on 4 July 2009, Ecclestone said "terrible to say this I suppose, but apart from the fact that Hitler got taken away and persuaded to do things that I have no idea whether he wanted to do or not, he was – in the way that he could command a lot of people – able to get things done." According to Ecclestone: "If you have a look at a democracy it hasn't done a lot of good for many countries — including this one", in reference to the United Kingdom. He also said that his friend of 40 years Max Mosley, the son of British fascist leader Oswald Mosley, "would do a super job" as Prime Minister and added "I don't think his background would be a problem."

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Re: The UK thread

Post by Grammatron » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:18 pm

What a cunt.

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Re: The UK thread

Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:52 am

Basically, yeah. He sounds like one. "I am not a supporter of democracy. You need a dictator."
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Re: The UK thread

Post by Witness » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:30 am

U.K. proposal to ‘Bcc’ law enforcement on messaging apps threatens global privacy

The term “ghost protocol” might remind you of a famous blockbuster starring Tom Cruise, but here it applies to a new proposal by the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) in the United Kingdom.

The GCHQ is the British equivalent of the United States National Security Agency, and the proposal’s function is to give law enforcement power to listen in on encrypted communications (like those on WhatsApp, for example).

It’s not the first time the British government has taken aim at encrypted communication: in 2017, then Home Secretary Amber Rudd called for end-to-end encryption to be banned, claiming “real people” don’t need it. Rudd’s comment reflected tremendous ignorance about how modern communication works.

The proposal, referred to informally as ghost protocol, is a more strategic attack on privacy, packaged in security rhetoric that hides technical, personal and societal implications. In an open letter to GCHQ, 47 signatories — including Apple, Google and WhatsApp — have urged the agency to abandon its plans.

[snipped explanations on end-to-end encryption]

Ghost protocol gets around this problem by proposing that law enforcement can be added as an invisible participant to a conversation. Alice, in conversation with Bob, would then encrypt every message twice, using both Bob’s public key and the public key for law enforcement. Alice would be unaware of law enforcement’s ability to access her conversation.

Framing this as an action that could only be taken if legally approved and only in situations where there is sufficient evidence to justify it sounds reasonable, but ghost protocol completely disregards the many technical implications of modifying software to support a ghost user.

It would require messaging apps to change how keys are negotiated among participants, adding complexity and therefore increasing the potential for security vulnerabilities.

By requiring apps to hide participants, it would undermine authentication mechanisms, introducing new potential vulnerabilities and eroding user trust in the service.

It would also effectively create a backdoor that could be exploited by messaging apps themselves — for example, a company employee who wants to stalk a co-worker. This would create a single point of failure: should a malicious attacker hack into the messaging app system, they would then be able to inject themselves as a silent listener into any conversation.
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Re: The UK thread

Post by Doctor X » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:17 am

Heavens to Betsy. . . .
Top Labour figures 'interfered' in anti-Semitism disputes

Senior Labour figures have interfered in the disciplinary process of dealing with accusations of anti-Semitism, ex-party officials have told the BBC's Panorama.

Seumas Milne, one of Jeremy Corbyn's closest aides, told officials the party was "muddling up political disputes with racism" and must review processes.

And General Secretary Jennie Formby attempted to interfere in who sat on a panel examining a high-profile case.

Labour said there was no interference. Well, that is settled then!

Instead, it said the former staff making the claims were "disaffected". Them uppidy Labourites. . . .

But the party's deputy leader Soon to challenge Mad Jeremy[Stop it!--Ed.]Tom Watson said he was "shocked, chilled and appalled" by the allegations and the party had "serious questions" to answer.

["Snip!"--Ed.]

Mr Matthews is one of eight former Labour officials - seven of whom worked in the party's Complaints and Disputes Department - who have spoken to Panorama about their experiences of dealing with anti-Semitism cases.

They claim:
  • The leader's office was "angry and obstructive" when it came to the issue
    Officials brought in by Ms Formby "overruled" disciplinary decisions and "downgraded" punishments to a "slap on the wrist"
    Mr Milne laughed when advised by a long-serving party official about what Mr Corbyn should do to tackle anti-Semitism in the party
    On one occasion, Jeremy Corbyn's office ordered batches of anti-Semitism complaints to be brought to his Commons office for processing by his aides
Four chose to talk publicly despite having signed non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) with Labour not to discuss any aspects of their work for the party.

Louise Withers Green, . . . ["Snip!"--Ed.] She had signed an NDA so she did not have to work her notice period, but despite that spoke to the programme, saying she wouldn't "be able to live with myself unless I speak up about the horrendous things that I know have been happening".

["Snip!"--Ed.]

The leadership has been accused of failing to get to grips with the problem, with allegations of hundreds of complaints against members remaining unresolved.

BBC Panorama spoke to more than 20 former officials as part of its investigation - Is Labour Anti-Semitic? - which will be broadcast at 21.00 BST on Wednesday.

They allege that they had to deal with a huge increase in anti-Semitism complaints since Mr Corbyn became leader in 2015.

Panorama discovered there was backlog of 1,000 anti-Semitism allegations this spring, with only 15 people having been expelled.

["Snip!"--Ed.]

The testimony Panorama reveals tonight - and the leaked emails they have obtained - will paint a picture that contrasts with the leadership's claims that they are doing as much as they can.

And they will cause deep alarm in many parts of the Labour movement.

For their part, Mr Corbyn's allies totally reject the testimony that's been put forward - instead claiming those who have come forward are "disaffected".

But this is a real challenge to Mr Corbyn's handing of anti-Semitism.

Mike Creighton, Labour's former head of the disputes team, told BBC Panorama he was approached by Mr Milne for advice in spring 2016.

He said he had suggested the party dealt with some of the top level anti-Semitic cases "much more swiftly and much more robustly", and that Mr Corbyn make a speech on the Middle East, "particularly saying that Israel had a right to exist".

But Mr Creighton claimed Mr Milne's response was to laugh at him.


"I thought he actually wanted to know how we tackle anti-Semitism within the Labour Party," he added. "I think what he actually meant to say was, how do we deal with the bad publicity we're getting?"

When Panorama put this allegation to the Labour Party, they said: "The Labour Party dispute this conversation ever took place… this allegation is false and malicious. Probably just another Jewish Conspiracy™

["Snip!"--Ed.]

"These disaffected former officials include those who have always opposed Jeremy Corbyn's leadership, worked to actively undermine it, and have both personal and political axes to grind." . . . of course they are.

["Snip!"--Ed.]

Kat Buckingham, who was the former chief investigator on the disputes team, told Panorama she had a breakdown and decided to leave the party as a result.

"I was stuck between…an angry and obstructive Leader's Office and an arcane disciplinary system," she said. "I couldn't hold the tide and I felt so powerless and I felt guilty and I felt like I failed."

Former Labour cabinet minister Lord Falconer told BBC Radio 4's PM the allegations were "hair-raising" and showed the party was "still in denial" over the issue.

Ex-foreign secretary Jack Straw said the fact people with "vile views" had been allowed to remain in the party showed the extent of Mr Corbyn's "complacency".

He said he deplored what he called "the clique" around Mr Corbyn attempting to "rubbish" those who had given years of loyal service to the party.

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Re: The UK thread

Post by asthmatic camel » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:34 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:21 pm
Hmm. Jews not separately as an ethnic group.

Also it would be more significant if White British were subdivided into separate groups by social class.
Or if you want to keep it ethnic, Anglo-Saxon and Anglo-Norman. :notsure:

I'm pretty sure in the USA the top three would be Chinese, Jews, Indians if it's a question of "hourly pay".
Would different for small business owners and different again for big business executives.
The UK Government only recognises eighteen ethnic groups when asking for ethnic background, and none of them are based on religion.
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Re: The UK thread

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:22 am

Official census figures not real statistics. In that case all bullshit.

The US census does not track Jews (which is fine), but the various racial definitions tend to change every census.
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Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:15 am

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Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:17 am
Heavens to Betsy. . . .
But the party's deputy leader Soon to challenge Mad Jeremy[Stop it!--Ed.]Tom Watson said he was "shocked, chilled and appalled" by the allegations and the party had "serious questions" to answer.
Well, at least he didn't say "abhorred" although that' a bit long-winded. Just one of those words might have sufficed. "I'm shocked, chilled and appalled to discover that there is gambling politics going on here!" ;)
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Re: The UK thread

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Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:22 am
Official census figures not real statistics. In that case all bullshit.

The US census does not track Jews (which is fine), but the various racial definitions tend to change every census.
The UK census does track Jews, (or those who chose to identify as such), and there aren't many of them: around 250,000 or 0.4% of the population. Most live in London or thereabouts but we have quite a few in the Manchester area, with some of whom I was fortunate enough to attend school.

On the whole, they're an enormously successful bunch: from the last link...
Employment

The 2001 UK Census showed that 30.5% of economically active Jews were self-employed, compared to a figure of 14.2% for the general population. Jews aged 16–24 were more likely to be economically inactive than their counterparts in the general population; 89.2% of these were students.[58] An academic study in 2010 found that Jews had, by a large margin, the highest average income and wealth of any religious group.[59]
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:42 am

So very convenient in case there ever is a need to round them up.
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Re: The UK thread

Post by Doctor X » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:55 am

Yes, but you HIRE them to burn innocence colonists!!11!!

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and "fuck the Germans":

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I wish I could find it, but Jason Isaacs gives an interesting interview where he discusses growing up Jewish in Ol' Blighty. He was not outwardly observant. Very funny guy, who actually likes Mel Gibson, though no one asked him about Mel's infamous drunken tirade. [They did, he just "relies on Anax to search for the tentacle porn."--Ed.]

A "Moonbat" politically so it would be interesting what he thinks of Mad Racist Jeremy.

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with that last one from 2016!

Looking with better [Competent.--Ed.] search parameters there is:
If you're interested in - and heartbroken by - how deep-rooted anti-semitism is in parts of the UK Labour movement, read this brave speech from @RachelRileyRR delivered for Holocaust Memorial Day. Jew-haters and whataboutters don't bother trolling. I'll flush your bollocks away.



Reticence totally understood, but for those seeking evidence of long term and profound anti-semitism from Corbyn et al, I was linking to an excerpt from a book by Professor @deborahlipstadt, a world renowned expert on the Holocaust. Try not to click around or touch the sides. https://t.co/fmhJyBdNZj

the comments following that are quite utterly tragic.
On the subject of Mel Gibson, what does he feels about his former co-star's antisemitic rant, made while drunk at the wheel of his car to a Jewish cop? "He's a very tender, troubled man whose rightwing politics I could never share. I still think of him on the set of The Patriot smoking a fag and telling some hysterically gynaecological gag and then turning round and accessing huge wells of emotion as he holds his son Heath Ledger's dead body.

"The night of that rant he had come from a Jewish friend of mine who has an orthodox Jewish wife and had taken a gift for them – that got lost in the headlines." Yeah, but . . . "I know, I know! I heard the tapes and I can't make excuses. That said he will be enormously troubled about what he heard on those tapes. We all know people who when they're drunk want to get people to hit them and that's part of what he did."

A few months after the tapes of Gibson's rant were released, he and Isaacs met at a public event. "He came up to me, so I said: 'Rabbi Gibson!' And he said: 'Give me a break – I was drunk.' I hope he finds peace."

This is a nuanced but unexpectedly forgiving attitude from a Jew who's experienced more than his fair share of antisemitism. "You try getting baited by antisemites in Liverpool and London," Isaacs says.

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Re: The UK thread

Post by Rob Lister » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:33 am

I learned somthing here. This has always been a fuzzy subject for me.


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Re: The UK thread

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:49 am

I knew most of that stuff already. At least the stuff about the British isles and the four countries that make up the United Kingdom. I couldn't have named all of the commonwealth nations except for the main ones or all of the crown dependencies other than a few. But I understand that in a general way.
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Re: The UK thread

Post by Rob Lister » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:04 am

But if you rotate it 90 degrees CCW then the Republic of Ireland becomes Mexico, Northern Ireland becomes Texas, Scotland becomes our West Coast, England becomes our East Coast, and Wales becomes Alabama.

That's what I got out of it.