Know what changed target shooting?

This is our lounge area. Feel free to come in and get acquainted!
User avatar
ed
Posts: 40137
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:52 pm
Title: G_D

Know what changed target shooting?

Post by ed »

Back in the day, if you competed in target shooting, and you had some loot, you might have used somethning like this
Image
https://www.rockislandauction.com/detai ... get-pistol
btw, sold last year at Rock Island for $5100 + commish

Shooting with a single shot pistol is zen like, a bit like archery but noisier. Considered.
Open the breech
Select a cartridge
insert the cartridge into the chamber
close the breech
fix the target with your steely gaze
raise the weapon
cock the weapon
fire
weep
repeat

Roundabout 1916 the Sainted John Browning (american, not from the fucking antipodes) invented something interesting

Image

Now whay you would do is
Get your NZ minion to load some magazines
Give you such magazines
igor_and_abby.jpg
Slap one into the weapon
shoot 10 times
repeat

Thing is that practice became more efficient. And one might surmise that being able to shoot, correct, then shoot again was advantageous from a learning standpoint.

Overnight the sport changed and in places like Germany there was interest in German built weapons.

The first German built semi auto .22 was this
Image
A saucy little minx of a gun.

Maybe more to follow, depends if this is another punchbowl thread :cry:
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
This space for let
User avatar
ed
Posts: 40137
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:52 pm
Title: G_D

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by ed »

ex-IDF :wink:
This space for let
User avatar
ed
Posts: 40137
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:52 pm
Title: G_D

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by ed »

I ever tell you about my Jewish friend? That is not very discriminating. I mean the guy I turned into a gun nut?
This space for let
solely
Posts: 1478
Joined: Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:41 pm

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by solely »

I don't have any friends Jewish or otherwise, but I do enjoy these gun threads.
User avatar
ed
Posts: 40137
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:52 pm
Title: G_D

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by ed »

They do meander though, don't they?

Anyway ... the "story".

This guy who I shall call "Al" was a friend before I started my company. Remember my youthful acculturation was eastern jewish. I always had jewish friends to the exclusion of christians. Anyway, I was pontificating about some gun related topic and Al said

"Ed, you are a smart, well educated guy (he could have added "handsome, but didn't) why is it that you have this interest in guns?"

To which I replied

"Al, you are a Jew. How could you not?"

He looked at me, pursed his lips and after a beat or two nodded and to his everlasting credit said:

"You're right".

I gave him a Ruger .357 snubnose and we shot many a time together.

The End
This space for let
User avatar
robinson
Posts: 12293
Joined: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:01 am
Title: Pretty much dead already
Location: USA

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by robinson »

It's a good story. Like any good story, most people actually don't care if you made it up.
still working on Sophrosyne, but I will no doubt end up with Hubris
User avatar
robinson
Posts: 12293
Joined: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:01 am
Title: Pretty much dead already
Location: USA

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by robinson »

Manson was supposed to like his 9 shot 22 revolver the best of all his guns.
The revolver, DeCarlo said, was the one Manson carried with him and fired most often. Manson got the gun, DeCarlo said, by “trading my truck for it.” He said the gun disappeared in early August and he didn’t know what happened to it.

DeCarlo said he target practiced at birds at the Spahn ranch but Manson didn’t approve.

“Charlie didn’t like me shooting at the birds,” DeCarlo testified. “He said he’d rather shoot people than birds.”
https://www.cielodrive.com/archive/tate ... on-weapon/
still working on Sophrosyne, but I will no doubt end up with Hubris
User avatar
ed
Posts: 40137
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:52 pm
Title: G_D

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by ed »

Some of the early H&R and Iver Johnson 22's are really well made. I have a couple and they are as good as Smith's IMHO. I assume that that is what Charlie had.
This space for let
User avatar
ed
Posts: 40137
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:52 pm
Title: G_D

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by ed »

robinson wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 5:11 pm It's a good story. Like any good story, most people actually don't care if you made it up.
This one, though, happens to be true.
This space for let
User avatar
robinson
Posts: 12293
Joined: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:01 am
Title: Pretty much dead already
Location: USA

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by robinson »

All my stories are true. I don’t have the memory to lie
still working on Sophrosyne, but I will no doubt end up with Hubris
User avatar
robinson
Posts: 12293
Joined: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:01 am
Title: Pretty much dead already
Location: USA

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by robinson »

I’m not joking. Lies take way more energy as well.
still working on Sophrosyne, but I will no doubt end up with Hubris
User avatar
robinson
Posts: 12293
Joined: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:01 am
Title: Pretty much dead already
Location: USA

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by robinson »

The Double Nine Longhorn .22, with a 9 and a half inch barrel, was around long before the automatic pistol. The western revolvers in general allowed multiple (and very fast) shootin, leading to the deadly accuracy of the old west gunslingers.

Sure your six shooter was more powerful, but having nine in each gun, meant you could shoot 18 times while your bigger gun fighter was only throwing 12 shots in the same time period.
still working on Sophrosyne, but I will no doubt end up with Hubris
solely
Posts: 1478
Joined: Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:41 pm

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by solely »

ed wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 5:05 pm ed told the Jewish gun story again.

The End


I like that story, and I don't care how many times you tell it.
You tell it so well!
User avatar
robinson
Posts: 12293
Joined: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:01 am
Title: Pretty much dead already
Location: USA

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by robinson »

Stupid is as stupid does
still working on Sophrosyne, but I will no doubt end up with Hubris
User avatar
ed
Posts: 40137
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:52 pm
Title: G_D

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by ed »

solely wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 7:13 pm
ed wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 5:05 pm ed told the Jewish gun story again.

The End


I like that story, and I don't care how many times you tell it.
You tell it so well!
Is it because of my Myron Cohen Yiddish accent when I do the Jewish guy? That breaks my family up when I tell it at dinner time. Repeatedly.
This space for let
User avatar
ed
Posts: 40137
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:52 pm
Title: G_D

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by ed »

Abdul Alhazred wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 7:54 pm It's like a Myron Cohen routine.

Sure the jokes are lame, but it's the way he tells it. :cowbell:
Precisely.
This space for let
User avatar
ed
Posts: 40137
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:52 pm
Title: G_D

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by ed »

Always liked Myron
This space for let
User avatar
Witness
Posts: 33213
Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by Witness »

ed wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 8:51 pm Know what changed target shooting?
That using natives for practice is now somewhat frowned upon? :twisted:
User avatar
ed
Posts: 40137
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:52 pm
Title: G_D

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by ed »

It is?
This space for let
User avatar
robinson
Posts: 12293
Joined: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:01 am
Title: Pretty much dead already
Location: USA

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by robinson »

Image
still working on Sophrosyne, but I will no doubt end up with Hubris
User avatar
Hotarubi
Posts: 3117
Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:12 am
Title: Enchantress
Location: This septic Isle.

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by Hotarubi »

Witness wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 12:09 am
ed wrote: Mon May 18, 2020 8:51 pm Know what changed target shooting?
That using natives for practice is now somewhat frowned upon? :twisted:
Yes Its why those Amercans in that America, you know, the people they have now, in America, it's why they do not understand things like "manners" and" civilisation.

They gave us those rap singers you know.
Yep, you totally outsmarted me ~ Wildcat.

:ball2:

I'm sure I came up with Twatter first. ~ Moi
I only steal from the rich. :BigGrin3: ~ Witness
User avatar
ed
Posts: 40137
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:52 pm
Title: G_D

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by ed »

Racist.
This space for let
User avatar
Hotarubi
Posts: 3117
Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:12 am
Title: Enchantress
Location: This septic Isle.

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by Hotarubi »

ed wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 9:34 amRacist.
Some of my best friends are Eminem.
Yep, you totally outsmarted me ~ Wildcat.

:ball2:

I'm sure I came up with Twatter first. ~ Moi
I only steal from the rich. :BigGrin3: ~ Witness
User avatar
ed
Posts: 40137
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:52 pm
Title: G_D

Re: Know what changed target shooting?

Post by ed »

Image
Here are three that I own.
Top to bottom.
A Colt "pre-Woodsman".
A Franz Stock
A Walther Olympia

They are all .22 and more or less contemporaneous. Can't shoot Hi velocity ammunition from them. There is one more I'd like to get, a Reising, but no rush.
You will note the rakish profile of the colt which owes much to the p.08 Luger
Image

How much Georg Luger owed to Borchardt is an interesting question. The toggle probably but certainly not the ergonomics. The Ruger that Abdul alluded to is also a Luger form.

I've noted that the best designs tend to make you do what the thing was intended to do.
If I had you a m.1860 Cavalry saber, you will look to swipe something with it. Guaranteed, every time.
Image
The swiping is intrinsic to the design, that is what makes it a masterpiece.

Similarly, upon being handed a Luger, you point. You just do. Not so with a stupid Glock or Beretta. You raise your arm and sight. It is weird to watch. All the weight is over your hand, it is like pointing a finger.

Myron liked the Luger but would not own any German anything on principle. When I showed him a Swiss made Luger be bought it and was sold. I bought it back from his estate after he died. Have it to this day. It is well known in collecting circles as the "Myron Cohen Luger". True story.
This space for let