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Ordinarily I wouldn't mention a specialty book that is mainly for reference but this one epitomizes the problem with buff literature and producing something without the services of a professional editor.

The four (4!!!) people who "wrote " this are collectors. They amassed some really nice photos of weapons and, as we say in Forest Hills Queens, tchotchkes. The problem is that the text, to put it bluntly, sucks. It does not explicate, it does not explain and it barely describes.

For example ... it illustrates a pistol, one much like my recent acquisition in fact. It says that a lever is on the right side. If it appears on the left it is "Italian". I mean, WTF is that about. I'd expect such obfuscation from Abdul, not from people selling an $85 book. I mean, what is this lever? What does it do? WTF does "Italian" mean. No explanation. Like Moby Dick, the fucking lever surfaces and then sinks, never to be seen again (I understand that this metaphor is not perfect, get over it :x ).

Captions have bizarre formatting. So you have a text block in two places on a picture and you have something like "Manufacturer:" at the end of one block only to be continued in the second block. Sloppy and amateurish.

They use terminology with out any definitions. They say things that are like "this is important" without explaining why.

And so it goes.

Incidentally, the name of the book "Alte Scheibenwaffen". You would think that the first line in the introduction they would tell you what that means, wouldn't you? Or are you going to be a pedantic son of a bitch and say "well, if you bought the thing, you should know what it means" and then flounce off? No, you dumb fuck. You tell your audience what it is that they are holding, why it matters, what needs it will fulfill.

It is sorta like some movies that I have seen lately, like that one with Nick Cage and Elija Frodo. They have the budget, time and talent but they did not bother to put it together. At least Cage and Frodo could claim a payday. There was no excuse for the way this book turned out.

I remember seeing the Armor collection at The Art Institute Of Chicago for the first time. Great pieces. Thrown together with no context. All I could think of was "stuff". It was presented the way a collector might present his collection. Breathlessly going from piece to piece saying "and this one, did you see this?". Amateurish.

Anyway, what pisses me off is the lost opportunity. None of you lot would ever buy this book under any circumstances. Not sure why I wrote this. Pissy mood I guess.

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Here is an example of the problem
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Random pictures of random guns. What is a "System"? what in the blue blazes is a "Martini Action" and why would anyone care?
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All of them are right handed, right?

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Is martini action single shot, or do you get automatic refills?

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ed wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:28 am
Ordinarily I wouldn't mention a specialty book that is mainly for reference but this one epitomizes the problem with buff literature and producing something without the services of a professional editor.

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Random pictures of random guns.
It's enough to look at the typography of the cover, with its Böcklin font and horrendous page setup.

Not a reference book but an accumulation of "nice" pictures of kitshy but expensive objects, the kind you can show to your friends equipped with similarly bad taste. (The book, and the guns.)

Basically all this is fanart.


Pedant note: in case it is unclear, Scheibenwaffen, literally disk-arms, means target arms.

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I wonder if the "disk" refers to the target.
Witness wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:50 am
ed wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:28 am
Ordinarily I wouldn't mention a specialty book that is mainly for reference but this one epitomizes the problem with buff literature and producing something without the services of a professional editor.

...

Random pictures of random guns.
It's enough to look at the typography of the cover, with its Böcklin font and horrendous page setup.

Not a reference book but an accumulation of "nice" pictures of kitshy but expensive objects, the kind you can show to your friends equipped with similarly bad taste. (The book, and the guns.)

Basically all this is fanart.


Pedant note: in case it is unclear, Scheibenwaffen, literally disk-arms, means target arms.
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ed, that's a fine book review. I figured you'd have put that review on Amazon, but it's not there.

Why?

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Rob Lister wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:08 am
ed, that's a fine book review. I figured you'd have put that review on Amazon, but it's not there.

Why?
Honestly, I don't feel comfortable slamming amateurs in public. These guys are collectors and made a good faith effort to share their passion. It would be churlish to humiliate them. That said, Mobrey Publishing should have known better. Also, I have written scathing reviews that Amazon has declined to publish.
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Because doing Amazon reviews is a personal security exposure.
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ed wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:13 am
Rob Lister wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:08 am
ed, that's a fine book review. I figured you'd have put that review on Amazon, but it's not there.

Why?
Honestly, I don't feel comfortable slamming amateurs in public. These guys are collectors and made a good faith effort to share their passion. It would be churlish to humiliate them. That said, Mobrey Publishing should have known better. Also, I have written scathing reviews that Amazon has declined to publish.
Okay, thanks, but reasoning is rather circular. You assume they are amateurs because their work is amateurish. Here's one author's bio:
About the Author

Prior to joining the department as a Lecturer in Modern European History in 2012, Christopher Dillon taught at the University of London's Birkbeck, Queen Mary, and Goldsmiths colleges. He studied for his PhD at Birkbeck (awarded in 2011) as part of an AHRC-funded project on the pre-war National Socialist concentration camps, having received his MA from Sussex and his BA from Exeter.
As to the publisher, they are the least to blame as they are a vanity house.
https://gunandswordcollector.com/authors/

I say: Lash them to the muzzle swell of your wordful cannon and blast them with the Ball of Truth!

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ed wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:09 am
I wonder if the "disk" refers to the target.
Of course. Schießscheibe = (shooting) target.

Wehrwaffe = combat/defense weapon.
Scheibenwaffe = target weapon.
Jagdwaffe = hunting weapon.
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Virtual Light by William Gibson. Entertaining cyberpunk thriller from a master.

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John Ringo's Live free or die (SF). I give it 2/5, 1 being utter trash. Looking at you, gnome!

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Never said you'd like it :)
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asthmatic camel wrote:
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Virtual Light by William Gibson. Entertaining cyberpunk thriller from a master.

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Oh yeah

Makes me want to read that trilogy again
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