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It's not factually supported by nearly every single measure.

So why this perpetuation of the myth of USA is #1 even in the face of facts?

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You're too late.

Bearguin already proved that Canada is number one.
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Do I mention now that, while Canada is still in the lead, they lost to the US last night??????

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Wow. I didn't even know we were at war with Canada.
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Morticia wrote:It's not factually supported by nearly every single measure.

So why this perpetuation of the myth of USA is #1 even in the face of facts?
I think most Americans (with some notable exceptions) know that it is just patriotic hyperbole. Which most countries are prone to. I take it you are Australian, I doubt when you talk about Australia your comments boil down to 'I come from Australia and let me tell you, IT SUCKS DOWN HERE!!!1!!'. My guess is that if I were to open a thread titled 'Why Australia is a stinking fetid hellhole', the Aussies contigent of this board would soon be seeking to set me straight of any misconceptions I had. Americans are the same way, ther are just more of us.

I think most (not all by a long shot, but a healthy majority of) people who do not live in an area plagued by famine or civil war or any other blatantly nasty thing, like wherever they call home. Meaning not only the part of the country they live in, but the country as a whole. Those that don't tend to move somewhere more to their liking.

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Morticia wrote:It's not factually supported by nearly every single measure.

So why this perpetuation of the myth of USA is #1 even in the face of facts?
Well, right now, I think the world thinks we're #2.
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jj wrote:
Morticia wrote:It's not factually supported by nearly every single measure.

So why this perpetuation of the myth of USA is #1 even in the face of facts?
Well, right now, I think the world thinks we're #2.

Channeling the "world" are we?

You mean we are no longer The Great Satan<sup>TM</sup> -- Number one in infidel wealth and power, pending the arrival of your buddy, the Mahdi.

Who is number one? Hint: Muhammad is His prophet.
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Nyarlathotep wrote:
Morticia wrote:It's not factually supported by nearly every single measure.

So why this perpetuation of the myth of USA is #1 even in the face of facts?
I think most Americans (with some notable exceptions) know that it is just patriotic hyperbole. Which most countries are prone to. I take it you are Australian, I doubt when you talk about Australia your comments boil down to 'I come from Australia and let me tell you, IT SUCKS DOWN HERE!!!1!!'. My guess is that if I were to open a thread titled 'Why Australia is a stinking fetid hellhole', the Aussies contigent of this board would soon be seeking to set me straight of any misconceptions I had. Americans are the same way, ther are just more of us.

I think most (not all by a long shot, but a healthy majority of) people who do not live in an area plagued by famine or civil war or any other blatantly nasty thing, like wherever they call home. Meaning not only the part of the country they live in, but the country as a whole. Those that don't tend to move somewhere more to their liking.

There is a difference between patriotism, the love of ones country, and nationalism, comparing ones country to other countries.

In my travels I've found that everyone loves their country, regardless of the events that are happening there. Everyone also wants their country to prosper , to be at be at peace and to have a good future.

It's the norm to understand that your home country is not perfect. But that doesn't mean that people love their country less. And I have many times written or spoken about aspects of Aussie culture and history that suck. It doesn't make me less of an Aussie nor show that I love my country less.

So, in conclusion, it's not american patriotism that I'm writing about, but american nationalism and the desire to appear to be 'leaders' or the best. Why is it so important?

Why isn't being the best you can be, rather than the best, good enough for americans?

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Who is number one?
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:
jj wrote:
Morticia wrote:It's not factually supported by nearly every single measure.

So why this perpetuation of the myth of USA is #1 even in the face of facts?
Well, right now, I think the world thinks we're #2.

Channeling the "world" are we?

You mean we are no longer The Great Satan<sup>TM</sup> -- Number one in infidel wealth and power, pending the arrival of your buddy, the Mahdi.

Who is number one? Hint: Muhammad is His prophet.
Is there some reason you choose to lie about what I said, and then tee off fraudulently on the lie you told?

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Morticia wrote:

There is a difference between patriotism, the love of ones country, and nationalism, comparing ones country to other countries.

In my travels I've found that everyone loves their country, regardless of the events that are happening there. Everyone also wants their country to prosper , to be at be at peace and to have a good future.

It's the norm to understand that your home country is not perfect. But that doesn't mean that people love their country less. And I have many times written or spoken about aspects of Aussie culture and history that suck. It doesn't make me less of an Aussie nor show that I love my country less.

So, in conclusion, it's not american patriotism that I'm writing about, but american nationalism and the desire to appear to be 'leaders' or the best. Why is it so important?

Why isn't being the best you can be, rather than the best, good enough for americans?
I think you take the '#1' thing too literally. I occasionally see cars around town, whenever the local high school has had or is having an athletic event of some kind, that say 'Carson Senators #1!'. I don't think the people decorating the cars actually think that our little one-horse town somehow magically produced the absolute best football/basketball/whatever team to walk the planet. It's just a saying to show support. Saying 'America is #1' is just a lot catchier than saying 'America: We aren't half bad when you get right down to it'

Oh, and I think most Americans will admit their country as flaws. They won't agree, necessarily, on what those flaws are, but they will agree there are flaws. Though a few (i.e. those morons in Congress and our craptastic public education sysytem) will get nearly universal acknowledgement. Same as you.

As for why we seem to want to be a leader or 'the best' as opposed to merely good enough, well why does anyone want to be the best at anything. Answer that and you've answered your other question as well.

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jj wrote:Yeah, probably. You're an a**hole.

What's with the asterisks? :LOL2:
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:
jj wrote:Yeah, probably. You're an a**hole.

What's with the asterisks? :LOL2:
Because I'm not.

It's only words, but every time you open your mouth, err, keyboard, your base hyper-aggressive, antisocial nature spills out.

Now, let's see some evidences, Carlos. Where did I claim to channel anything, Carlos?
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Hey... America is #1 because we have freedom! And Football! And we invented Rock & Roll music! And we bailed everyone out in two world wars! You think your little pipsqueak countries can match up to us? Care to come get an ass kicking trying to prove it?

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gnome wrote:Hey... America is #1 because we have freedom! And Football! And we invented Rock & Roll music! And we bailed everyone out in two world wars! You think your little pipsqueak countries can match up to us? Care to come get an ass kicking trying to prove it?

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hardly necessary, but just in case...

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In answer to AA, lots of people the world over have that "I have to be the best therefore I am the best" personal attitude, but I can't think of another country other than France that has the attitude..

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Morticia wrote:
gnome wrote:Hey... America is #1 because we have freedom! And Football! And we invented Rock & Roll music! And we bailed everyone out in two world wars! You think your little pipsqueak countries can match up to us? Care to come get an ass kicking trying to prove it?

O'Doyle RULES!!!!

hardly necessary, but just in case...

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

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In answer to AA, lots of people the world over have that "I have to be the best therefore I am the best" personal attitude, but I can't think of another country other than France that has the attitude..
US is currently the only super power, so technically we are #1.

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Grammatron wrote:
Morticia wrote:
gnome wrote:Hey... America is #1 because we have freedom! And Football! And we invented Rock & Roll music! And we bailed everyone out in two world wars! You think your little pipsqueak countries can match up to us? Care to come get an ass kicking trying to prove it?

O'Doyle RULES!!!!

hardly necessary, but just in case...

</sarcasm>
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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In answer to AA, lots of people the world over have that "I have to be the best therefore I am the best" personal attitude, but I can't think of another country other than France that has the attitude..
US is currently the only super power, so technically we are #1.
That is your measure. Others who have different standards of what is important would disagree.

Also, it doesn't take much to have the biggest gun, all it takes is diverting your money away from other things.

The old swords and ploughshares argument.

That other people choose ploughshares over guns doesn't make them less. In fact a lot of people would say it makes them no #1.

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Morticia wrote: That is your measure. Others who have different standards of what is important would disagree.

Also, it doesn't take much to have the biggest gun, all it takes is diverting your money away from other things.

The old swords and ploughshares argument.

That other people choose ploughshares over guns doesn't make them less. In fact a lot of people would say it makes them no #1.
We also have #1 Economy.

Are we #1 in everything? No, of course not. But we are #1 in some things and that is factual which disproves your OP.

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How does one measure the 'economy"? By exchange rate, quality of life, trade balance, infant mortality, etc etc?

But that's not the point I'm trying to make.

Why are Americans pretty much the only ones to belief such a myth about their own country?

Could it stem from their revolutionary background, much the same as France?

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Morticia wrote:How does one measure the 'economy"? By exchange rate, quality of life, trade balance, infant mortality, etc etc?

But that's not the point I'm trying to make.

Why are Americans pretty much the only ones to belief such a myth about their own country?

Could it stem from their revolutionary background, much the same as France?
One measures the economy by assessing the wealth of the upper sector stakeholders, duh!
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