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I need some help with this bush quote

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Bush: "the most important thing is for use to find osama it's our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him" Washington, D.C. 13, 2001

I can not track down this bush quote in it's original context. I even checked youtube and still couldn't find anything. I'm starting to question if this bush quote even exists. Did I miss something or is my suspicion correct?

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Hello.

I can't realy help you but more people would see your post and thus you would be more likely to find someone to help you if you posted it in the Banter or politics section which are busier.

And say hi in the newbies thread while you are at it.

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Are you sure he said it? Where did you hear it?
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It is a quote repeated on many a blog without a single reference to a newspaper or video link.
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Bin Laden and his terrorist allies have made their intentions as clear as Lenin and Hitler before them. The question is: Will we listen? Will we pay attention to what these evil men say? America and our coalition partners have made our choice. We're taking the words of the enemy seriously. We're on the offensive, and we will not rest, we will not retreat, and we will not withdraw from the fight, until this threat to civilization has been removed.
George W. Bush speaking at the Washington, D.C. Capital Hilton Hotel on September 5, 2006.

Evidences: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 905-4.html

Notice the "we will not rest" in that statement that you see in the alleged statement you see in blogs.
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 911-3.html
Osama bin Laden and other terrorists are still in hiding. Our message to them is clear: No matter how long it takes, America will find you, and we will bring you to justice.
September 11, 2006.
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Konscious wrote:Bush: "the most important thing is for use to find osama it's our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him" Washington, D.C. 13, 2001
Though you do not say so, I assume you mean September 13, 2001 since that is what all the blogs say.

Some examples can be found at the following links:

http://uspolitics.about.com/b/2006/09/1 ... ground.htm

http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2005/09/b ... ut-it.html

http://lovenstein.org/report/

It's even in this YouTube propaganda film in the information section.


Just Google the sentence and you get tens of thousands of results. People even have the meme in their forum profile signatures.

Now contrast that alledged September 13, 2001 statement with this press conference on September 17, 2001. Four days after Bush allegedly said we would not rest until we got Osama:
Q Mr. President, the Taliban apparently has refused to hand over Osama bin Laden to the Pakistanis. Does this mean that the U.S. will be prepared to move militarily?

THE PRESIDENT: Patsy, I want to make it clear to the American people that this administration will not talk about any plans we may or may not have. We will not jeopardize in any way, shape or form, anybody who wears the uniform of the United States.

All I can tell you is that Osama bin Laden is a prime suspect, and the people who house him, encourage him, provide food, comfort or money are on notice. Last Tuesday -- last week, I spoke clearly about our nation's policy. And that is, we're going to find those who -- those evil-doers, those barbaric people who attacked our country and we're going to hold them accountable, and we're going to hold the people who house them accountable; the people who think they can provide them safe havens will be held accountable; the people who feed them will be held accountable.

And the Taliban must take my statement seriously.
And a little later, the famous sound bite:
Q Do you want bin Laden dead?

THE PRESIDENT: I want justice. There's an old poster out west, as I recall, that said, "Wanted: Dead or Alive."

You can find on this Huffington Post blog that the writer mixes some fact with fiction:
Shortly after 9/11, George W. Bush invoked images of American frontier justice when he discussed the hunt for Bin Laden, "When I was a kid I remember that they used to put out there in the old west, a wanted poster. It said: 'Wanted, Dead or Alive.' All I want and America wants him brought to justice." Bush declared, "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
Just pulling shit out of his ass and passing it off as historical fact.

So there's my best shot at helping you out, Konscious. Welcome to the forum. Enjoy your stay.
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It's interesting, I'm fairly sure I heard Bush say a lot of things like that, ("Wanted: Dead or Alive") but I haven't seen an actual reference to it on any source which I would consider credible. whitehouse.gov does not seem to be whitewashed, and that quote does not appear.

It doesn't seem to be an exact quote. I wonder if it is a paraphrase of something he did say, but I haven't found anything close.

I found this:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 221-2.html
Ron, I don't know where he is. I haven't heard much from him recently. And -- which means he could be in a cave that doesn't have an opening to it anymore, or could be in a cave where he can get out, or may have tried to slither out into neighboring Pakistan. We don't know. But I will tell you this: We're going to find him.

And one of the things I said early on in this war was that -- I told the American people that this administration would be patient and would be relentless. And you're talking to a patient man when it comes to achieving the objectives, because I understand the degree of difficulty has increased significantly.

The first part of the objective was to destroy the Taliban's military. That was relatively easy. Secondly, the objective was to hold those accountable who had harbored al Qaeda. It took a while, but once we were able to bring our military strength, made our military strength -- air strength, in particular -- with boots on the ground, commitment of troops, it unfolded well.

Now we're on the hunt. And we're chasing one or two, three or four, 20 individuals at a time. And this is pretty rugged country, as you know. And so we're slowly, but surely chasing down every single lead. And as our friends and allies take over more and more of the country, and as the new government gets, in the beginning, gets into place, we'll continue to get good intelligence and we'll continue to chase Mr. bin Laden -- and others -- Abu Zabeda, Zawahari. I could give you the list of names.

But if they think they can hide from the United States, they're making a terrible mistake again. And we'll get him, we'll bring him to justice. I wish I could give you the exact moment, but I can't. And frankly, since this administration is in the fight against terror for the long pull, I am not the least bit anxious about bringing a particular individual to justice. I know that we've disrupted the al Qaeda network.
Close, but no cigar.

There's this:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 916-2.html
My administration has a job to do, and we're going to do it. We will rid the world of the evil-doers. We will call together freedom loving people to fight terrorism.[...]
But I can assure the American people I am determined, I'm not going to be distracted, I will keep my focus to make sure that not only are these brought to justice, but anybody who's been associated will be brought to justice. Those who harbor terrorists will be brought to justice
A similar idea, but not the same.
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Luke T. wrote: It's even in this YouTube propaganda film in the information section.
You would think that someone posting on YouTube could have found an actual video or audio clip of it. Nope.

Where's Geni? I think Wikipedia is the primary source for that quote.
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I'm fairly convinced the statement is completely made up. If it wasn't, it would be a simple matter to find the source. And I have not found a single site which repeats it with a link to a source.
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specious_reasons wrote: Where's Geni? I think Wikipedia is the primary source for that quote.
It's only in two places on Wikipedia, and both are user blogs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mbhiii

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:UKPhoenix79/quotes
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Luke T. wrote:I'm fairly convinced the statement is completely made up. If it wasn't, it would be a simple matter to find the source. And I have not found a single site which repeats it with a link to a source.
Yes, the actual quote. The parts "we will not rest until we find him" and "number one priority" seem entrely false.

It's obvious that Bush wanted bin Laden as a high priority, but I found a press conference (9/12? Can't be bothered to find it again) where Ari Fleischer is quoted as saying helping the victims was the number one priority.
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Luke T. wrote:
specious_reasons wrote: Where's Geni? I think Wikipedia is the primary source for that quote.
It's only in two places on Wikipedia, and both are user blogs.
One of the blogs had a reference link to Wikipedia page with GWB quotes, but the quote is no longer there. I suspect someone put up the false quote, people repeated it in blogs, and it was eventually removed from Wiki because the quote is unsourced.

ETA:
http://uspolitics.about.com/b/2006/09/1 ... ground.htm
references the Wiki Page.
Here's the talk page, which indicates it used to be there.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:George_W._Bush
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Thanks for the help everyone I pretty much came up with the samething
a whole bunch of blogs repeating that same unsourced bush quote over and over again. Thought I might of missed something while doing my research but it appears my suspicions were correct.

Sorry for posting this question in the wrong forum. I will post my skeptical suspicions in the political section nexttime. Thanks again.
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Konscious wrote:Sorry for posting this question in the wrong forum.
It's always a judgment call, but I'd say you posted in the right forum.

You got your answer, and the alleged quote truly is a fraud, scam, and urban legend.

I guess Bush isn't stupid enough so they have to exaggerate.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:I guess Bush isn't stupid enough so they have to exaggerate.
I'm skeptical. Who's "they"? It looks like a lot of people got fooled by an unsourced quote in Wikipedia. I'll have to admit that I probably was taken in by the quote, both because he's made similar remarks, and my own anti-Bush bias.

Doesn't mean I need to make up facts.
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specious_reasons wrote:I'm skeptical. Who's "they"? It looks like a lot of people got fooled by an unsourced quote in Wikipedia. ...
Somebody made it up in the first place. He, she, "they" ...
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