This Just in . . . Vaccines STILL Do Not Cause Autism

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There's the tragedy: Through the pox one can tell she's an attractive woman.

But...Dayum!
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Two words: Paper Bag

Oh ... and if she's not in the mood just pick some of the scabs to get the puss flowing.
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Completely quoted from QuackWatch including the linkypoos:

Republican candidates display ignorance about vaccines.

During the Republican Presidential debate on September 16, three of the candidates made statements that clashed with scientific knowledge about vaccination. The discussion, which spanned from 2:46 to 2:50 of the 6-hour-long event, began when the moderator noted that Donald Trump has repeatedly linked vaccines to autism and asked candidate Ben Carson, M.D. (a pediatric neurosurgeon) whether Trump should stop doing this.
  • Carson replied that there is no connection between vaccination and autism, but he refused to correct Trump.

    Trump responded that he is "totally in favor of vaccines but wants smaller doses over a longer time." He then used graphic terms to express his belief that the size of the shots has triggered autism in cases he has seen, particularly the case, "just the other day," of a child of someone who worked for him.

    When asked again to comment, Carson replied that there is "extremely well documented proof" that there is no connection,but he added that there are "way too many shots in too short a time."

    Rand Paul, M.D., an ophthalmologist who advocates a quackery-tolerant version of "health freedom," added that "even if the science doesn't say that the 'bunching up' is not a problem, I ought to have the ability if not the right to spread my vaccines out at the very least."
Trump's account of the "just the other day" case does not appear to be accurate because he told the same story on during a Fox-TV broadcast in 2012. After Trump said he believed that vaccinations were responsible for a rise in autism, Fox News co-host Gretchen Carlson said, "You know that most physicians disagree with that and the studies have said there is no link. It used to be said that it was the the mercury in those vaccines, which they have not had for years and yet we're at the highest number in recent years." Trump replied, "I couldn't care less. I've seen people where they have a perfectly healthy child, and they go for the vaccinations, and a month later the child is no longer healthy." A moment later, he described how child of a woman who worked for him "recently" had become autistic a month after getting vaccines. [Autism on the Rise. Fox & Friends, April 2, 2012] Scientific studies indicate that any association between autism and vaccines is coincidental. But Trump seems unable to consider this.

The debate's antivaccination exchange has triggered an avalanche of criticism:
These events suggest that if Trump, Carson, or Paul are elected president, they might try to force the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to change its recommended vaccination schedule to one that is less effective. Quackwatch has an article that explains why vaccination “spreading" is not a good idea.

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Rob Lister wrote:Two words: Paper Bag

Oh ... and if she's not in the mood just pick some of the scabs to get the puss flowing.
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http://www.ema.europa.eu/ema/index.jsp? ... 002429.jsp
The European Medicines Agency’s Pharmacovigilance Risk Assessment Committee (PRAC) has completed a detailed scientific review of the evidence surrounding reports of two syndromes, complex regional pain syndrome (CRPS) and postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS) in young women given human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccines. These vaccines are given to protect them from cervical cancer and other HPV-related cancers and pre-cancerous conditions. This review concluded that the evidence does not support a causal link between the vaccines (Cervarix, Gardasil/Silgard and Gardasil-9) and development of CRPS or POTS. Therefore, there is no reason to change the way the vaccines are used or amend the current product information.
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Doc quoted this: "Republican candidates display ignorance about vaccines. "

Don't they do so for just about everything?

Problem is, Foolz 'n' Idjits are allowed to vote. A year from now we'll know if there's a chance or if, in fact, we are completely fuggin' doomed.
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Pyrrho wrote:http://www.ema.europa.eu/ema/index.jsp? ... 002429.jsp
The European Medicines Agency’s Pharmacovigilance Risk Assessment Committee (PRAC) has completed a detailed scientific review of the evidence surrounding reports of two syndromes, complex regional pain syndrome (CRPS) and postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS) in young women given human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccines. These vaccines are given to protect them from cervical cancer and other HPV-related cancers and pre-cancerous conditions. This review concluded that the evidence does not support a causal link between the vaccines (Cervarix, Gardasil/Silgard and Gardasil-9) and development of CRPS or POTS. Therefore, there is no reason to change the way the vaccines are used or amend the current product information.
These syndromes have been a rather big deal in Japan. I'll confess I'm not really up on all the details of what's been going on with HPV vaccines over here, but apparently the government reversed its policy of recommending the vaccines after there were a few high profile cases of possible adverse reactions.

You can still get these vaccines here, "at your own risk" but I think the policy reversal means your insurance doesn't help to pay for it or something like that. We got them for our daughter anyway. She had started getting them before the policy change anyway and had no ill effects. I've heard it can also be beneficial for boys, but our son is 6 years younger and I don't know whether it's currently recommended for boys too.

Anti-vaxxers will often point to Japan though as evidence that adverse reactions are a problem. I tend to think they are overly cautious and sensitive to political pressures here. This one mom became a big activist against the vaccine after something happened to her daughter. I don't know if the vaccine triggered it or what, but she was on the TV in tears and testified before the Diet about her daughter's horror story, and that was it for the vaccine. Pretty much tainted it in much of the public's mind after that. A peer-reviewed meta-analysis is just no match for a weeping mother with a heart-wrenching story to tell.
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I had my annual flu vaccine last week. And Vampirella, my specialist diabetes nurse, has changed her appearance somewhat. It was always a little unsettling to have a 50 odd year old Goth bird sticking needles in me.

Oh, and no, I haven't got the flu yet, never have since I started getting the jab.
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I caught a flu last February and was hospitalized for most of a week.
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DrMatt wrote:I caught a flu last February and was hospitalized for most of a week.
No, Matthew, what you caught is generally known as an alligator.

There's an enormous difference.
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An H5N1 alligator? This is not Florida. Sounds like you're thinking of Ed.
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On a more serious note the case of cowpox mentioned before...

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...as nasty as it may look is as nothing in comparison to the dose of chicken pox I suffered in my late twenties. Never having caught the disease as a child, the bastard put me in an intensive care ward for a week. Fortunately for you guys, I no longer possess pictorial evidence. Suffice it to say that when my father came over from Wales to visit his poorly son, he was told by a kindly nurse not to recognise anyone in the isolation ward. He did, after a few minutes, and burst into tears, something I'd never seen him do before.

It really was that bad.
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DrMatt wrote:I caught a flu last February and was hospitalized for most of a week.
That's why you need the vaccine.

No wait, you should now be immune.
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For teh lulz, saw this piece about reaction to a recent Mark Zuckerberg Facebook post, which generated 70,000 comments.

Apparently he had his daughter vaccinated and the usual suspects showed up with their predictable dumbassery.

http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/mark-zuc ... ts-1264630

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User Matthew H. Benedict commented: "Any of you ever read the inserts on vaccines? The ingredients? I didn't think so. Zuckerberg has, and I'd bet the farm, that he has no intention of vaccinating and dumbing down his child. However, what he, Bill Gates, and other elites, wants [sic] for your children, and a whole generation, is much, much different than what they want [for] their own kids. It saddens me you people can't see how blatant this post is."
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The Froggies, who have lots of compulsory (and "recommended") vaccinations and don't joke with that (up to 2 years in jail + hefty fine) are launching a grand debate on the subject, as they goofed on some points (insufficient stocks), and also because anti-vaxxers are gaining traction.

Results should be in in December.

If they see it through. I fear well-meaning politicians & doctors will be quite surprised by the hornet's nest this will stir up, especially on the Internet, of course.

Anyway, I'll keep you posted.
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More than 260,000 people have signed a petition calling for all children to be vaccinated against meningitis after the death of a two-year-old girl.

Faye Burdett, from Maidstone, Kent died on Valentine's Day after fighting the infection for 11 days.

Her family said they were enduring "a pain you cannot describe" after the toddler contracted meningitis B.

["Snip!"--Ed.]

Mrs Burdett has published graphic photos of Faye, including one of her in a hospital bed just before she died, in order to raise awareness about the disease.
This is one photo included in the article:

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I am not posting the other photo included in that article.
We campaign for change in her memory," she said.

"Faye was taken to A&E with a rash on her forehead. She was then transferred by South Bank Retrieval Service to Evelina Children's Hospital, where her heart stopped in the ambulance.

"They revived her and spent hours working on stabilising her.

"We were given a 1% survival chance but she proved them wrong and carried on fighting.

"After a few days she seemed to have turned a corner, but the sepsis started to affect her more and the decision of limb removal was made.

"The extent of removal was massive, full leg amputation and one arm and plastic surgery.

"We had to make the decision, a massive operation and she may die or we let her go peacefully on her own accord.

"We decided the latter and then watched our little girl slip away."

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Again, there may be a very graphic picture in the Japanese Limey Original Article depending on your experience, work, et cetera.




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a kitten:

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Like so many of you, I have been banned from Dr. Bob Sears’ Facebook page. While it isn’t headline-making news, I wanted to write about the comment that got me banned because it highlights, once again, that Dr. Bob is anti-vaccine.
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They have it backwards: autism causes vaccines.
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Cunts do attract one another, yes.

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It shouldn't take the death of a child from measles for people to realise the importance of vaccines:

The current measles epidemic in America, and involvement of Roald Dahl’s legacy in efforts to control it, raises interesting questions about how we engage people in public health issues.

The outbreak started at Disneyland, California before Christmas, and has now affected 14 states, with more than 100 people becoming infected in January alone. Last week a letter written 30 years ago by Roald Dahl, who lost his daughter to measles, became centre stage as campaigners used it to urge parents to get their children vaccinated.

The first vaccines against measles were developed 50 years ago, and are now widely available. And because humans are the only hosts for the virus, we should in theory be able to eradicate it, if we can get enough people vaccinated. This is what happened for smallpox in the 1970s. If everyone is vaccinated, then the virus has nowhere to go, and dies out.
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One of the ironies for those working in this field is that the more successful a vaccination programme, and the less of the disease there is, then the more the very rare side effects of the vaccine become an issue, especially to those who never see the disease.

Even though there may be thousands of children dying from measles elsewhere on the planet, parents sitting comfortably in Middle America (and the UK) can ignore this, and obsess on any downside from the vaccine.

As the old adage puts it, one death is a tragedy, one thousand is a statistic. This is where the death of Roald Dahl’s daughter Olivia, aged 7, becomes important. Dahl was devastated at the time, and it wasn’t really until many years later that he spoke out about it, encouraging the uptake of vaccines.

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Olivia, my eldest daughter, caught measles when she was seven years old. As the illness took its usual course I can remember reading to her often in bed and not feeling particularly alarmed about it. Then one morning, when she was well on the road to recovery, I was sitting on her bed showing her how to fashion little animals out of coloured pipe-cleaners, and when it came to her turn to make one herself, I noticed that her fingers and her mind were not working together and she couldn't do anything.

"Are you feeling all right?" I asked her.

"I feel all sleepy," she said.

In an hour, she was unconscious. In twelve hours she was dead.

The measles had turned into a terrible thing called measles encephalitis and there was nothing the doctors could do to save her. That was twenty-four years ago in 1962, but even now, if a child with measles happens to develop the same deadly reaction from measles as Olivia did, there would still be nothing the doctors could do to help her.

On the other hand, there is today something that parents can do to make sure that this sort of tragedy does not happen to a child of theirs. They can insist that their child is immunised against measles. I was unable to do that for Olivia in 1962 because in those days a reliable measles vaccine had not been discovered. Today a good and safe vaccine is available to every family and all you have to do is to ask your doctor to administer it.

It is not yet generally accepted that measles can be a dangerous illness. Believe me, it is. In my opinion parents who now refuse to have their children immunised are putting the lives of those children at risk. In America, where measles immunisation is compulsory, measles like smallpox, has been virtually wiped out.

Here in Britain, because so many parents refuse, either out of obstinacy or ignorance or fear, to allow their children to be immunised, we still have a hundred thousand cases of measles every year. Out of those, more than 10,000 will suffer side effects of one kind or another. At least 10,000 will develop ear or chest infections. About 20 will die.

LET THAT SINK IN.

Every year around 20 children will die in Britain from measles.

So what about the risks that your children will run from being immunised?

They are almost non-existent. Listen to this. In a district of around 300,000 people, there will be only one child every 250 years who will develop serious side effects from measles immunisation! That is about a million to one chance. I should think there would be more chance of your child choking to death on a chocolate bar than of becoming seriously ill from a measles immunisation.

So what on earth are you worrying about? It really is almost a crime to allow your child to go unimmunised.

The ideal time to have it done is at 13 months, but it is never too late. All school-children who have not yet had a measles immunisation should beg their parents to arrange for them to have one as soon as possible.

Incidentally, I dedicated two of my books to Olivia, the first was 'James and the Giant Peach'. That was when she was still alive. The second was 'The BFG', dedicated to her memory after she had died from measles. You will see her name at the beginning of each of these books. And I know how happy she would be if only she could know that her death had helped to save a good deal of illness and death among other children.

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A couple of days ago, I wrote about a story of a sort that I’ve had to write about far too many times over the last eleven years. I wrote about the death of a child—but not just any death of a child, the death of a child who could have—should have—lived. The child’s name was Ezekiel Stephan, and his parents are David and Collet Stephan. The reason that child should have lived is because he suffered from a disease that medicine can treat, meningitis. Unfortunately, his parents didn’t take him to a real doctor. They took him to a naturopath, who recommended maple syrup, juice with frozen berries and a mixture of apple cider vinegar, horse radish root, hot peppers, mashed onion, garlic and ginger root as a treatment for meningitis—all without ever having examined the patient.
Lexie Vataman, who fills holistic prescriptions at the Lethbridge Naturopathic Medical Clinc, told a jury Wednesday that she received a call from Collet Stephan in March 2012.

“She needed something to build up her baby’s immune system,” said Vataman.

“She said, ‘My baby might have a form of meningitis and we think it might be viral and not bacterial.”‘

Vataman said she asked if Stephan had taken her son to a medical doctor. She said Collet replied that a friend who was a nurse was keeping an eye on him and he didn’t have a fever.
It goes on from there in heartbreaking detail. The upshot:
So Ezekiel probably died of Hib meningitis. That’s a vaccine-preventable disease, and David and Collet Stephan didn’t vaccinate Ezekiel. So when David claims there is no evidence that the Hib vaccine would have prevented Ezekiel’s death, he is just plain wrong. There’s plenty of evidence.

Perhaps that’s why the Stephans, with Erin Elizabeth’s help, is spreading a conspiracy theory. He and his wife aren’t negligent parents, says the conspiracy theory. Not at all! They’re being persecuted by the Canadian government as part of a plot to produce a legal precedent that would allow the Canadian government to do away with voluntary vaccination and force children to be vaccinated. Now that’s a seriously grandiose view of oneself, I’d say! The Collets seem to think that it’s all about them, rather than their dead child, and that they are so important that the government would use them as an example in order to—gasp!—force every child to be vaccinated:
Sillies. They used horseradish when they should have used eye of newt or hair of the dog.
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Turned out to be a bacterial meningitis.

Now the question to ask is how the fuck they thought it was "meningitis" then concluded it was "viral." There are classic signs and symptoms of meningitis. Such requires a pathogen. I fear these idiots either were told the signs which are not subtle, or they figured them out online and chose to believe it was possibly a more benign cause. Viral does not necessarily mean "benign" of course, but bacterial meningitis requires emergent intravenous antibiotics as well as determination of the pathogen.

Fools.

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There's that French word, an idée fixe, or a belief that no amount of evidence to the contrary can change.

That seems to be the main feature of any kind of woo: nothing can ever disprove it to the true believer with the idée fixe.
Even your own child dying. Deny to the end. Deny no matter what comes. Instead of the simple explanation that would contradict your fixed belief, make up a bizarre conspiracy theory to explain it instead.
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So what you're saying is that if the probability of contracting Measles is less than .002, you should not get the vaccine.

8)

P.S. I think the bills on the left are counterfeit. If not they're worth far more than face value so the odds change significantly.
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Rob Lister wrote:So what you're saying is
Really?
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Rob Lister wrote:P.S. I think the bills on the left are counterfeit.
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If not they're worth far more than face value so the odds change significantly.
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The government no longer prints new bills in denominations larger than $100.

And bills are no longer "redeemable in gold at the United States Treasury". But those are what the bills used to look like.

As far as measles goes, the odds of contracting it go up the more people don't get the vaccine. Plus it's a matter of protecting the people who don't get it.

I think the government ought to pay for vaccines though, since there are positive externalities when people get vaccinated. It helps everyone, not just the person receiving the vaccine.
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Anax!! You socialist!
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Socialist agitation?

Worse than back-sassin'!
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And you call the rest of us "Boss," you hear?!