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Not the food they eat and the exercise they do not do.

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Doctor X wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:09 pm Not the food they eat and the exercise they do not do.

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Tits are not big enough.

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Sperm Count Zero :notsure:

Yeah, sure. That'll be what does our species in. Falling sperm counts.
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sparks wrote: Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:46 am This explains why Jenny didn't breast feed.

Is there an autism connection?


You be the judge.
Studies show that traces of silicone in breast milk can lead to symptoms in infants that lead mothers into believing they have autism and convince an entire generation to believe it's linked to vaccines without any scientific evidence or even so much as an official medical diagnosis.

Other studies show that real boobs are nice.

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sparks wrote: Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:46 am This explains why Jenny didn't breast feed.

Is there an autism connection?


You be the judge.
Studies show that traces of silicone in breast milk can lead to symptoms in infants that lead mothers into believing they have autism and convince an entire generation to believe it's linked to vaccines without any scientific evidence or even so much as an official medical diagnosis.

Other studies show that real boobs are nice.

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Shitting my brains out here, Boss.
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Dubious "via Internet" research, but here you go:
Here are the top ways people die while taking selfies and “being cool”

The top way to go while snapping a self-portrait was drowning. This includes being washed away by waves on a beach, capsizing in a boat, and getting into picturesque water while not knowing how to swim. Transportation came next, with the biggest risk being clicking a pic in front of a moving train. Selfie deaths from falls and fires followed, along with animal mauling, electrocution, and firearms. Most of the fatalities involving pics with firearms occurred in the US.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/10 ... -top-list/
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'The food supplement that ruined my liver'

Green tea capsules. Seems a little odd to me. My wife and practically every other Japanese person drink loads of the stuff as tea. Perhaps it just wasn't meant to be eaten as capsules? Or maybe they're misattributing the cause. I don't know.

But as we all know, supplements don't have to be subjected to the same kind of testing for safety as drugs. So maybe something that is perfectly safe as tea, isn't so safe when you eat it raw?
Jim McCants took green tea capsules in a drive to get healthy in middle age. His doctors now say they left him needing an urgent liver transplant, writes the BBC's Tristan Quinn.
It should have been one of the happiest days of his life. But Jim McCants looks back on his youngest son's high school graduation with mixed emotions. As he sat down next to his wife Cathleen in the university auditorium, just outside Dallas, Texas, she turned to look at him.
"She said 'Do you feel OK?'" Jim recalls. "I said, 'Yeah I feel fine, why?' 'Your face is yellow, your eyes are yellow, you look terrible.' When I looked in the mirror it was shocking."
It was shocking partly because Jim, then 50, had been working on improving his lifestyle and losing weight, focusing on eating more healthily and taking regular exercise.
As part of his mid-life health kick, Jim had started taking a green tea supplement because he had heard it might have cardiac benefits. These supplements have grown in popularity in recent years, often breathlessly promoted online for their antioxidant benefits, and their supposed ability to aid weight loss and prevent cancer.
He had been taking the green tea supplement for two to three months when he became ill. According to Jim's medical record this is the presumed cause of his liver injury. "It was shocking because I'd only heard about the benefits," remembers Jim. "I'd not heard about any problems."
After his admission to hospital, Jim went into a "holding pattern", waiting for the results of a series of blood tests to establish the seriousness of his liver injury. Then, about three weeks after his wife had first noticed he looked ill, one of his liver doctors delivered the news he had been fearing: "She said you need a liver transplant. This has to happen fast. You have days - you don't have a week."
Jim was stunned.
What is it about green tea supplements that might cause harm at certain doses to some people? Scientists do not know for certain. Because green tea has been drunk for thousands of years, supplements consisting of its concentrated form are regulated in the US and Europe as foods, not medicines. That means that specific safety testing has not been required, so the scientific picture of how green tea supplements might affect our health is incomplete.
"If you are drinking modest amounts of green tea you're very safe," says Prof Herbert Bonkovsky, director of liver services at Wake Forest University School of Medicine in North Carolina, who has been tracking injuries linked to green tea supplements for nearly 20 years. "The greater risk comes in people who are taking these more concentrated extracts."
Concern has focused on a potentially toxic ingredient called Epigallocatechin-3-gallate or EGCG, the most abundant of the naturally occurring compounds with antioxidant properties in green tea, called catechins. There are likely to be a number of factors that might make an individual susceptible to harm from EGCG including genetics, and the way supplements are used.
"Usually people are taking these green tea extracts trying to lose weight, so they're often not eating," Dr Bonkovsky explains. "We know from animal studies that fasted animals absorb a much higher percentage of the catechins than do fat animals. There may well be other factors of other drugs, other chemicals, use of alcohol that are also important as modifying factors."
We've probably all heard that green tea has health benefits (but I don't know how strong the science behind that really is). But people normally consume it by making tea with hot water, not eating the leaves themselves. Anyway, very few supplements have any serious science to back them up. That's the main thing to remember. Or there might be some science, but it's tangential. Not double-blind placebo-controlled studies of the supplement itself.
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Dangerous sex games blamed for dozens of deaths a year

As many as 100 German people a year die due to reckless self-gratification practices, a coroner has claimed, with the most common cause of death recorded as asphyxiation.

The estimate, made by Harald Voss in Bild newspaper, comes after a police investigation into the death of a man found in circumstances suggesting that he died during autoerotic activity.

The man’s body was discovered in a cellar tied up with chains, including one around his neck. The authorities found no evidence of violence and concluded that he had died of suffocation, the newspaper reported.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/auto ... -7zjd8wzlb (rest behind paywall)
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Doesn't surprise me.

If you think about it more broadly, not just people who accidentally suffocate themselves (I've never got why that is a turn-on for some people), a lot people are killed by "thinking with their little head instead of their big head" in one way or another. Nobody is more foolish than a horny man (or woman).
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Kwai Chang Caine Syndrome.
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Do gut bacteria make a second home in our brains?

SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA—We know the menagerie of microbes in the gut has powerful effects on our health. Could some of these same bacteria be making a home in our brains? A poster presented here this week at the annual meeting of the Society for Neuroscience drew attention with high-resolution microscope images of bacteria apparently penetrating and inhabiting the cells of healthy human brains. The work is preliminary, and its authors are careful to note that their tissue samples, collected from cadavers, could have been contaminated. But to many passersby in the exhibit hall, the possibility that bacteria could directly influence processes in the brain—including, perhaps, the course of neurological disease—was exhilarating.
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Roberts wondered whether bacteria from the gut could have leaked from blood vessels into the brain in the hours between a person’s death and the brain’s removal. So she looked at healthy mouse brains, which were preserved immediately after the mice were killed. More bacteria. Then she looked at the brains of germ-free mice, which are carefully raised to be devoid of microbial life. They were uniformly clean.

RNA sequencing revealed that most of the bacteria were from three phyla common to the gut: Firmicutes, Proteobacteria, and Bacteroidetes. Roberts doesn’t know how these bacteria could have gotten into the brain. They may have crossed from blood vessels, traveling up nerves from the gut, or even come in through the nose. And she can’t say much about whether they’re helpful or harmful.
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What the hell was he smoking.
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Anaxagoras wrote: Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:20 pm We've probably all heard that green tea has health benefits (but I don't know how strong the science behind that really is). But people normally consume it by making tea with hot water, not eating the leaves themselves. Anyway, very few supplements have any serious science to back them up. That's the main thing to remember. Or there might be some science, but it's tangential. Not double-blind placebo-controlled studies of the supplement itself.
Someone left this on top of the microwave at work. I've been staring at it every time I reheat my lunch.

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Most of us kill these things with weed-killer or yank them of our gardens and throw then in the compost. This guy decided to roast these things and sell them as a "super herb tea" to pretentious idiots. Most of the time, I think it's morally wrong to profit from the stupid, but when I see stuff like this....I mean this little canister is $60, and someone just left it on top of the microwave......roasted weeds that you can yank out of your own lawn.....people I work with who apparently have enough disposable income that they can just buy shit like this and leave it lying around at work......makes me lose my appetite every time I see it. Why don't I just chuck it in the trash? Why do I torture myself like this? Maybe as a reminder that every time I see something that restores a tiny spec of my faith in humanity, the overwhelming reality is that I'm surrounded buy people who are willing to buy things like......well.....

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Maybe someone received it as a gift, and didn't like it so they brought it to work as a way to get rid of it? I could imagine myself doing that.
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Could be. Hadn't thought of that. Doesn't help. The momentary feel-goodz that someone was thinking of someone else....here, try this, it might make you feel better.....is quickly crushed by the thought that someone still paid $60 for a can of common weeds. I work in a department full of scientist that develop scientific tests for scientifically vetted active pharmaceutical ingredients. If anyone in the world should know better, it should be my co-workers. Imagine someone leaving a copy of one of Sylvia Brown's books on top of the microwave at the James Randi Educational Foundation. So what if it was a gift. It's just......wrong.

It's been on the microwave for a week. If it's still there on Monday, I'm chucking it.

Or maybe a week from Monday......I don't know.

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Abdul Alhazred wrote: Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:22 pm I don't know about any super health benefits, but I've had dandelion greens as a cooked vegetable and they are not bad.
Just blowing those dandelion seed right into my prejudiced eyes, aren'tcha. :roll:
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Bruce wrote: Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:35 am Could be. Hadn't thought of that. Doesn't help. The momentary feel-goodz that someone was thinking of someone else....here, try this, it might make you feel better.....is quickly crushed by the thought that someone still paid $60 for a can of common weeds. I work in a department full of scientist that develop scientific tests for scientifically vetted active pharmaceutical ingredients. If anyone in the world should know better, it should be my co-workers. Imagine someone leaving a copy of one of Sylvia Brown's books on top of the microwave at the James Randi Educational Foundation. So what if it was a gift. It's just......wrong.

It's been on the microwave for a week. If it's still there on Monday, I'm chucking it.

Or maybe a week from Monday......I don't know.

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It's good for your fat liver and lazy cancer cells. Now shut up and finish your cup! :x

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Black salve:

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real- ... 1b42360470
Mr Barry, like many who use black salve, believes mainstream doctors and scientists are not acting in the best interests of patients. Rather, they are prescribing expensive medical treatments purely for their own benefit, part of a “money making machine” profiting off the public “in the name of science”, he said.

This opinion is widely held among black salve fans. They claim the cheap ointment at $50 a tub has the potential to destroy the billion dollar “cancer industry” run by traditional health care providers.

They don’t care about the warnings from doctors. They believe most health professionals only criticise black salve because they are frightened the illegal treatment is a threat to the medical industry’s profits.

But the list of people who have died or been severely maimed after using black salve is alarming.
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From the article:
Mr Barry’s leg was amputated after years of applying black salve. He has used it on hundreds of melanomas, rejecting advice from doctors to undergo chemotherapy and radiation.
he is extremely lucky it so far has not widely metastasized as malignant melanoma will if you poke it and piss it off.

By nature of its origin from neural crest, melanoma can, and will, go anywhere.

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And poachers are still killing endangered rhinoceroseses(es?) for their horns.
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Pangolins are all the rage right now. For their meat, and:
Wikipedia wrote:Though pangolins are protected by an international ban on their trade, populations have suffered from illegal trafficking due to unfounded beliefs in East Asia that their ground-up scales can stimulate lactation or cure cancer or asthma.
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Can baby powder cause cancer?

One jury says yes:

J&J loses its battle to overturn a $4.7B baby powder verdict

$4.7 billion with a "b". That's a lot of baby powder. 22 plaintiffs so each of them should end up with hundreds of millions of dollars.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote: Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:44 am Hard to believe "male enhancement" quackery still exists in the age of Viagra.
What if I told you that the key reagent in the synthesis of viagra is found in rhinoceros horns?
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Anaxagoras wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:12 am Can baby powder cause cancer?

One jury says yes:

J&J loses its battle to overturn a $4.7B baby powder verdict

$4.7 billion with a "b". That's a lot of baby powder. 22 plaintiffs so each of them should end up with hundreds of millions of dollars.
The asbestos mineral is often found near talc, so it wouldn't be surprising to find asbestos fibers in baby powder. Wouldn't be such a big problem if they didn't grind the powder so fine that it becomes airborne at the slightest squeeze of the bottle.

I never really understood the use for the stuff. Babies don't need to be dry, and baby powder is a terrible drying agent anyway. Plus it makes everything smell like baby. Pew!
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Bruce wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:17 am The asbestos mineral is often found near talc, so it wouldn't be surprising to find asbestos fibers in baby powder. Wouldn't be such a big problem if they didn't grind the powder so fine that it becomes airborne at the slightest squeeze of the bottle.

I never really understood the use for the stuff. Babies don't need to be dry, and baby powder is a terrible drying agent anyway. Plus it makes everything smell like baby. Pew!
I don't recall using baby powder when my own kids were babies.
I changed some diapers too, being the modern, progressive sort of father that I am.
But you're right: baby powder wasn't necessary and I can't remember ever using it.

Found that Reuters report they mentioned. I guess this verdict sets a bad precedent for the company because there's probably a lot more lawsuits to come now.

Johnson & Johnson knew for decades that asbestos lurked in its Baby Powder "A REUTERS INVESTIGATION"
Facing thousands of lawsuits alleging that its talc caused cancer, J&J insists on the safety and purity of its iconic product. But internal documents examined by Reuters show that the company's powder was sometimes tainted with carcinogenic asbestos and that J&J kept that information from regulators and the public.

By LISA GIRION in Los Angeles

Filed Dec. 14, 2018, 2 p.m. GMT

Darlene Coker knew she was dying. She just wanted to know why.

She knew that her cancer, mesothelioma, arose in the delicate membrane surrounding her lungs and other organs. She knew it was as rare as it was deadly, a signature of exposure to asbestos. And she knew it afflicted mostly men who inhaled asbestos dust in mines and industries such as shipbuilding that used the carcinogen before its risks were understood.

Coker, 52 years old, had raised two daughters and was running a massage school in Lumberton, a small town in eastern Texas. How had she been exposed to asbestos? “She wanted answers,” her daughter Cady Evans said.

Fighting for every breath and in crippling pain, Coker hired Herschel Hobson, a personal-injury lawyer. He homed in on a suspect: the Johnson’s Baby Powder that Coker had used on her infant children and sprinkled on herself all her life. Hobson knew that talc and asbestos often occurred together in the earth, and that mined talc could be contaminated with the carcinogen. Coker sued Johnson & Johnson, alleging that “poisonous talc” in the company’s beloved product was her killer.
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When they make baby powder, do they dehydrate the baby before or after grinding it?
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Asbestos isn't "poisonous". It's just silica. Same stuff that sand is made of. Asbestos crystals just happen to be just the right size to fit inside our lung sacks and never leave. Once there, the microscopic needles pierce the lungs tissue over and over, forcing cells to divide and scar tissue to build. Eventually, cancer emerges from the runway cell division.

As long as asbestos isn't in your lungs, it's harmless. Very useful in fact. Just wish we would get over the misinformation and just find safer ways to use it rather than banning it completely. Same goes for many other substances.
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What's not killing us this week?

Coffee, alcohol and being overweight.

I love how the headline writers summarize this study.

Alcohol, coffee could be key to living longer, UC Irvine study finds
IRVINE, Calif. (KABC) -- People who drink moderate amounts of alcohol or coffee and are overweight in their 70s live longer lives, according to researchers at the UC Irvine Institute for Memory Impairments and Neurological Disorders.

The researchers started a study in 2003 to look at what makes people live past 90.

They said participants in the study who drank moderate amounts of alcohol or coffee lived longer than those who abstained from the drinks.

In addition, people who were overweight in their 70s lived longer than people who were normal or underweight in their 70s.

To learn more about the study, click here.
On the other hand I've read that Mormons, who abstain from alcohol and even caffeine, live longer, so go figure.
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Yes, those who make it to 70 tend to die of other things than a heart attack.

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Indeed, as you get older your chances of dying from a bar stool fall increase.
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How US children and teens die: Study reveals the widespread and persistent role of firearms

The No. 2 cause of death hasn't changed much in 17 years, while prevention efforts cut the death rate from No. 1 cause -- motor vehicle accidents -- in half

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America lost 20,360 children and teens in 2016 -- 60 percent of them to preventable injuries, a new study shows. But while death rates from the top cause -- motor vehicle crashes -- have declined steadily since 1999, rates from the second-leading cause -- firearms -- have gone up. It's the first time all causes of child and adolescent death have been tallied by both mechanism and intent.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 191100.htm
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Witness wrote: Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:17 am
How US children and teens die: Study reveals the widespread and persistent role of firearms

The No. 2 cause of death hasn't changed much in 17 years, while prevention efforts cut the death rate from No. 1 cause -- motor vehicle accidents -- in half

Summary:
America lost 20,360 children and teens in 2016 -- 60 percent of them to preventable injuries, a new study shows. But while death rates from the top cause -- motor vehicle crashes -- have declined steadily since 1999, rates from the second-leading cause -- firearms -- have gone up. It's the first time all causes of child and adolescent death have been tallied by both mechanism and intent.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 191100.htm
At the end of the paper they say it is their “lane” to do something about gun deaths.

But they never say what that might mean.

What medical solution is there to the so-called gun problem, most of which are homicides?

On a related note, the leading cause of death of children under four is drowning. Shall we outlaw swimming pools and bathtubs?