What's killing us this week?

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Re: What's killing us this week?

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:32 am

Bruce wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:17 am
The asbestos mineral is often found near talc, so it wouldn't be surprising to find asbestos fibers in baby powder. Wouldn't be such a big problem if they didn't grind the powder so fine that it becomes airborne at the slightest squeeze of the bottle.

I never really understood the use for the stuff. Babies don't need to be dry, and baby powder is a terrible drying agent anyway. Plus it makes everything smell like baby. Pew!
I don't recall using baby powder when my own kids were babies.
I changed some diapers too, being the modern, progressive sort of father that I am.
But you're right: baby powder wasn't necessary and I can't remember ever using it.

Found that Reuters report they mentioned. I guess this verdict sets a bad precedent for the company because there's probably a lot more lawsuits to come now.

Johnson & Johnson knew for decades that asbestos lurked in its Baby Powder "A REUTERS INVESTIGATION"
Facing thousands of lawsuits alleging that its talc caused cancer, J&J insists on the safety and purity of its iconic product. But internal documents examined by Reuters show that the company's powder was sometimes tainted with carcinogenic asbestos and that J&J kept that information from regulators and the public.

By LISA GIRION in Los Angeles

Filed Dec. 14, 2018, 2 p.m. GMT

Darlene Coker knew she was dying. She just wanted to know why.

She knew that her cancer, mesothelioma, arose in the delicate membrane surrounding her lungs and other organs. She knew it was as rare as it was deadly, a signature of exposure to asbestos. And she knew it afflicted mostly men who inhaled asbestos dust in mines and industries such as shipbuilding that used the carcinogen before its risks were understood.

Coker, 52 years old, had raised two daughters and was running a massage school in Lumberton, a small town in eastern Texas. How had she been exposed to asbestos? “She wanted answers,” her daughter Cady Evans said.

Fighting for every breath and in crippling pain, Coker hired Herschel Hobson, a personal-injury lawyer. He homed in on a suspect: the Johnson’s Baby Powder that Coker had used on her infant children and sprinkled on herself all her life. Hobson knew that talc and asbestos often occurred together in the earth, and that mined talc could be contaminated with the carcinogen. Coker sued Johnson & Johnson, alleging that “poisonous talc” in the company’s beloved product was her killer.
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Re: What's killing us this week?

Post by shemp » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:40 am

When they make baby powder, do they dehydrate the baby before or after grinding it?
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Re: What's killing us this week?

Post by Bruce » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:47 am

Asbestos isn't "poisonous". It's just silica. Same stuff that sand is made of. Asbestos crystals just happen to be just the right size to fit inside our lung sacks and never leave. Once there, the microscopic needles pierce the lungs tissue over and over, forcing cells to divide and scar tissue to build. Eventually, cancer emerges from the runway cell division.

As long as asbestos isn't in your lungs, it's harmless. Very useful in fact. Just wish we would get over the misinformation and just find safer ways to use it rather than banning it completely. Same goes for many other substances.
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Re: What's killing us this week?

Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Dec 28, 2018 12:45 am

What's not killing us this week?

Coffee, alcohol and being overweight.

I love how the headline writers summarize this study.

Alcohol, coffee could be key to living longer, UC Irvine study finds
IRVINE, Calif. (KABC) -- People who drink moderate amounts of alcohol or coffee and are overweight in their 70s live longer lives, according to researchers at the UC Irvine Institute for Memory Impairments and Neurological Disorders.

The researchers started a study in 2003 to look at what makes people live past 90.

They said participants in the study who drank moderate amounts of alcohol or coffee lived longer than those who abstained from the drinks.

In addition, people who were overweight in their 70s lived longer than people who were normal or underweight in their 70s.

To learn more about the study, click here.
On the other hand I've read that Mormons, who abstain from alcohol and even caffeine, live longer, so go figure.
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Post by Doctor X » Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:13 am

Yes, those who make it to 70 tend to die of other things than a heart attack.

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Re: What's killing us this week?

Post by shemp » Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:00 am

Indeed, as you get older your chances of dying from a bar stool fall increase.
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Re: What's killing us this week?

Post by Witness » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:17 am

How US children and teens die: Study reveals the widespread and persistent role of firearms

The No. 2 cause of death hasn't changed much in 17 years, while prevention efforts cut the death rate from No. 1 cause -- motor vehicle accidents -- in half

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America lost 20,360 children and teens in 2016 -- 60 percent of them to preventable injuries, a new study shows. But while death rates from the top cause -- motor vehicle crashes -- have declined steadily since 1999, rates from the second-leading cause -- firearms -- have gone up. It's the first time all causes of child and adolescent death have been tallied by both mechanism and intent.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 191100.htm

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Re: What's killing us this week?

Post by xouper » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:00 am

Witness wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:17 am
How US children and teens die: Study reveals the widespread and persistent role of firearms

The No. 2 cause of death hasn't changed much in 17 years, while prevention efforts cut the death rate from No. 1 cause -- motor vehicle accidents -- in half

Summary:
America lost 20,360 children and teens in 2016 -- 60 percent of them to preventable injuries, a new study shows. But while death rates from the top cause -- motor vehicle crashes -- have declined steadily since 1999, rates from the second-leading cause -- firearms -- have gone up. It's the first time all causes of child and adolescent death have been tallied by both mechanism and intent.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 191100.htm
At the end of the paper they say it is their “lane” to do something about gun deaths.

But they never say what that might mean.

What medical solution is there to the so-called gun problem, most of which are homicides?

On a related note, the leading cause of death of children under four is drowning. Shall we outlaw swimming pools and bathtubs?

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Re: What's killing us this week?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:24 pm

Four out of five doctors agree:

The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution.

Coincidentally, that is also the proportion of doctors who smoked Camels in 1949. :BigGrin3:
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Re: What's killing us this week?

Post by Witness » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:38 am

From 2017:
How Canadian researchers reconstituted an extinct poxvirus for $100,000 using mail-order DNA

Eradicating smallpox, one of the deadliest diseases in history, took humanity decades and cost billions of dollars. Bringing the scourge back would probably take a small scientific team with little specialized knowledge half a year and cost about $100,000.

That’s one conclusion from an unusual and as-yet unpublished experiment performed last year by Canadian researchers. A group led by virologist David Evans of the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Canada, says it has synthesized the horsepox virus, a relative of smallpox, from genetic pieces ordered in the mail. Horsepox is not known to harm humans—and like smallpox, researchers believe it no longer exists in nature; nor is it seen as a major agricultural threat. But the technique Evans used could be used to recreate smallpox, a horrific disease that was declared eradicated in 1980. "No question. If it’s possible with horsepox, it’s possible with smallpox,” says virologist Gerd Sutter of Ludwig Maximilians University in Munich, Germany.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/07 ... -order-dna

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Re: What's killing us this week?

Post by sparks » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:34 am

Idiots.
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