Coffee

[Witness]

Coffee Waste Is Now Fetching a 480% Premium Over Coffee Itself

Prices for dried husks are outstripping those for beans.

Details: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... fee-itself

[Anaxagoras]

That's . . . interesting.

I am reminded of how whole grain bread or whole grain rice became more in demand than white bread or white rice (sometimes). That part which they used to throw away, is now considered valuable again.

I bet you in the olden days people would have thought you were mad to pay more for a loaf of whole wheat bread than a loaf of white bread. But in Japan at least, that's how it is. At the supermarket where I shop, whole wheat bread costs more than white. I think white bread is still more popular with Japanese though. Most of the sliced bread on the shelf is white, with several competing brands, while there is only a small area for whole wheat or other kinds of bread, and it costs more. So it could just be economies of scale and competition.

[shemp]

Some people will drink any fucking shit if it's trendy.

[Rob Lister]

I'm some people. I thought cascara was a laxative but wiki tells me cascara bark is a different plant. Cascara tea is apparently a thing in Other America. I see on Amazon I can buy 12 oz for $20. Nope. But if see some in a trendy gas station convenience store, I'll try it.

[Anaxagoras]

Coffee health news: Coffee is good for you according to science!

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... ct/2686145

Question Moderate coffee consumption has been inversely associated with mortality; however, does heavy intake, particularly among those with common genetic polymorphisms that impair caffeine metabolism, increase risk of mortality?

Findings This large prospective cohort study of a half million people found inverse associations for coffee drinking with mortality, including among participants drinking 1 up to 8 or more cups per day. No differences were observed in analyses that were stratified by genetic polymorphisms affecting caffeine metabolism.

Meaning This study provides further evidence that coffee drinking can be part of a healthy diet and offers reassurance to coffee drinkers.

(hopefully I'm not going to find out that this study was paid for by coffee companies.
Didn't California recently require warning labels for coffee?)

[shemp]

You're mistaken. The study was about covfefe.

[Anaxagoras]

Doh!!

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Coffee health news: Coffee is good for you according to science!

Correlation does not tell you whether one causes the other.

It could be that whatever causes people to die younger also causes them to avoid coffee, or that whatever causes people to live longer also causes them to drink coffee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlati ... _causation

[Anaxagoras]

Coffee health news: Coffee is good for you according to science!

Correlation does not tell you whether one causes the other.

It could be that whatever causes people to die younger also causes them to avoid coffee, or that whatever causes people to live longer also causes them to drink coffee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlati ... _causation

You are correct. I figured everyone here knew that already. That's also why the study authors worded their findings more carefully than I did.

That said, what do you think. It's certainly possible that it's actually the coffee, isn't it?
And I can't think of what that "whatever" might be that causes people to both avoid coffee and die younger, or to both drink coffee and live longer. Can you?

So, Occam's razor suggests there's a good chance that it really is just that simple.

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Coffee health news: Coffee is good for you according to science!

Correlation does not tell you whether one causes the other.

It could be that whatever causes people to die younger also causes them to avoid coffee, or that whatever causes people to live longer also causes them to drink coffee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlati ... _causation

You are correct. I figured everyone here knew that already.

Oops. Sorry, I forgot to include the disclaimer that I too think everyone here already knew that. I was just being cautious in case someone had momentarily forgot.

That said, what do you think. It's certainly possible that it's actually the coffee, isn't it?
And I can't think of what that "whatever" might be that causes people to both avoid coffee and die younger, or to both drink coffee and live longer. Can you?

So, Occam's razor suggests there's a good chance that it really is just that simple.

That's a reasonable question to ask.

I try to be careful when invoking Occam's Razor based on my inability (especially on short notice) to think of plausible alternatives.

Another link that I assume everyone here already knows:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

Nonetheless, I am not ruling out that coffee is the cause. I am merely pointing out that the studies cited provide no actual evidence for that causation.

In any case, even if evidence is found, that does not mean any given person will benefit from coffee in that way.

Another link that I assume everyone here already knows:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_fallacy

[Doctor X]

It is Settled Science that coffee is necessary.

--J.D.

[Bananas?-Yes]

I'm not so sure this bit of information is in any way useful, but I am heading into my late 60s and I have been consuming coffee in quantities that would have to be considered excessive.

Yes, as I made clear in a very early post in case I disappear all of a sudden, I am in a battle with blood cancer, but no doc folks have indicated they think the coffee had anything to do with that. In fact, there is some strong opinions that some chemicals from a conflict many years ago the draft got folks into is what might very well be the cause, but even that is a hazy thing.

But the coffee is not considered a factor.

Now that I think about it I have some comrades in the VFW that have also been heavy coffee drinkers for a seriously long time and they are still doing pretty good; and not in wheelchairs, too.

Oh well, just offering some information.

I'll tell you what kicks butt; that darn steroid stuff they put in the first round of chemotherapy. That has caused some serious back trouble for me, but even that is starting to heal. On its own, so to speak. Just have to be mighty careful and maybe 6 more months and all those fractures back there will be healed up. I feel sorry for them athletes some years ago that there was that big deal about them taking steroids. Can't see how that was good for them in the long run.

[Bruce]

Sorry to here that, bananas. I lost my dad to pancreatic cancer just a couple of months ago. I took him to one of his chemo treatments. Even with chemo, he died only 3 months from diagnosis. It still boggles my mind that a year ago today, he was alive, in good health, and had no idea what was coming. I really hope you pull through, get your health back, and die from something less shitty than cancer.

[Rob Lister]

Yea, sorry, bananas. Try to get word to us if you die so we can honorably ban you.

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[Bananas?-Yes]

I just might be inclined to have a mechanism set up with certain folks to let folks here know if I kick the bucket sooner than might be expected. There's been an incident between myself and a fella of interesting thinking on another site and I did some posting there I never thought I'd do on the Net.

The truth is, my case has started to become quite the mystery with what should be some seriously good-at-their-job doctor folks and maybe it is time to change the rules I have been applying for a number of years and see if possibly there are other folks that also have had similar trouble, but have been hiding, so to speak.

I have an amazing set of connections with some very interesting people and have more or less been hiding my troubles, even though many of them know very well that over the past 6 or so years things have not been proper.

Maybe it is time to change my attitude about discussing my problems, because maybe there are others and we can find some answers. This trouble can be amazingly uncomfortable sometimes and from more than just the physical weirdness of it all. Some of the darn weird brain activity takes place and it is really very uncomfortable even with somebody like myself who thought I could handle weird things in life.

I don't suppose you were expecting this sort of a response, Mr. Lister. But there have been some very unusual developments on another site and maybe I am starting to see I have been protecting certain medical institutions that might not deserve it.

And I apologize to Witness, who I think started this thread.

[Witness]

Best wishes for your recovery, Bananas!

And I apologize to Witness, who I think started this thread.

No need for that. Once a thread is in the wild, it's on its own.

[Bruce]

Best wishes for your recovery, Bananas!

And I apologize to Witness, who I think started this thread.

No need for that. Once a thread is in the wild, it's on its own.

For example, Nyarl was once having a bad day and requested kitten pics. 6000 replies and 300 pages later.....

[Witness]

For example, Nyarl was once having a bad day and requested kitten pics. 6000 replies and 300 pages later.....

Excellent example (and shows how popular Nyarl is!).

But I still will annoy Abdul when he strays off-topic and also when he tries to play thread cop.

[Witness]

cofeve

Uh? That you, Donald?

[Bananas?-Yes]

Thank you, Witness. On both points you made in my direction.

And, yes. That coffee business might be wise to get back to.

Frankly, that is one business I sure don't get at all. I think what happened to a whole mess of folks during the draft days was make the worst coffee taste so outstanding that the expensive stuff then tasted like horrible stuff. Maybe the coffee companies had that draft system shut down. That was President Carter that shut down the draft, wasn't it? I don't remember Georgia having coffee trees on any of the hills out in western Georgia. Don't remember too many hills elsewhere in Georgia.

Coffee trees are on hills, no? Seems some mountain in Africa is famous for coffee trees, yes?

I remember the first time I was given ice coffee. Now that was a surprise, for sure. And it wasn't in no mess hall.

[Rob Lister]

I couldn't parse much of that but it was Nixon that ended the draft or better said, did not push Congress to renew it. On June 30, 1973, Dwight Elliott Stone became the last person drafted, and boy was he pissed. There is no word on his coffee preference.

[Bananas?-Yes]

Appreciate the correction. Some reason I thought it was stopped later, but things were sort of all messed up back then. It was a bit of a shame that President Ford didn't get a break and get elected, but that pardon did him in. Yep, I've had it in my brain for a bit that it was President Carter that did that. Yep, appreciate the correction.

[Witness]

Coffee trees are on hills, no? Seems some mountain in Africa is famous for coffee trees, yes?

You probably mean Ethiopian Harar Moka:

Growing Altitude: 1510 – 2120 meters above sea level
Arabica Variety: Wild Ethiopian Varieties
Harvest Period: October through February
Milling Process: Natural, Sun-dried
Aroma: Berry, Earthy, Chocolate
Flavor: Typical moka flavor, marked blueberry and blackberry
Body: Heavy body

https://espressocoffeeguide.com/gourmet ... ar-coffee/

For some reason the Froggies call it "Harar blue". Tried it out and wasn't overwhelmed. (My espresso machine seems to work best with cheap supermarket brands. From time to time I cycle through more expensive stuff, but till now have always been disappointed.)

Meteoric poet Rimbaud went to Harar as an accountant & merchant (coffee & arms) after dropping his art:

[Pyrrho]

https://www.brainstimjrnl.com/article/S ... 7/fulltext

Transcranial direct current stimulation versus caffeine as a fatigue countermeasure

Methods
Five groups of ten participants each received either active tDCS and placebo gum at 1800, caffeine gum with sham tDCS at 1800, active tDCS and placebo gum at 0400, caffeine gum with sham tDCS at 0400, or sham tDCS with placebo gum at 1800 and 0400 during 36-h of sustained wakefulness. Participants completed a vigilance task, working memory task, psychomotor vigilance task (PVT), and a procedural game beginning at 1800 h and continued every two hours throughout the night until 1900 the next day.

Results
tDCS dosed at 1800 provided 6 h of improved attentional accuracy and reaction times compared to the control group. Caffeine did not produce an effect. Both tDCS groups also had an improved effect on mood. Participants receiving tDCS reported feeling more vigor, less fatigue, and less bored throughout the night compared to the control and caffeine groups.

Conclusions
We believe tDCS could be a powerful fatigue countermeasure. The effects appear to be comparable or possibly more beneficial than caffeine because they are longer lasting and mood remains more positive.