Anti-vaxxers in power

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Post by Witness » Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:46 am

Fearing Their Dogs Will Develop Autism, Some Owners Are Declining Vaccinations

The concern over pets developing autism from vaccines appears to be the latest issue within the anti-vaxxer movement.

The ‘anti-vaxxer’ movement has moved beyond vaccinating children and seeped into the realm of pet vaccines, according to the Telegraph, leading the British Veterinary Association to clarify that dogs cannot get autism.
'Anti-vaxxers' believe that immunisations have harmful side effects and may be the cause of autism in children - beliefs widely debunked by the medical community.

This theory is increasingly being applied to pets, particularly in the US, and there are fears it is spreading to the UK and could cause already low vaccination rates to fall.
The BVA statement acknowledged the issue stems from U.S. pet owners and cautioned British animal lovers to ignore the new trend:
“We are aware of an increase in anti-vaccination pet owners in the US who have voiced concerns that vaccinations may lead to their dogs developing autism-like behaviour.

“But there is currently no scientific evidence to suggest autism in dogs or a link between vaccination and autism.”

“All medicines have potential side effects but in the case of vaccines these are rare and the benefits of vaccination in protecting against disease far outweigh the potential for an adverse reaction.”
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The issue also comes at a time when pet vaccinations are already in decline:
Pet vaccination rates in the UK are already falling. The PDSA Animal Wellbeing (PAW) Report in 2017 showed that 25 per cent of dogs, 35 per cent of cats and 50 per cent of rabbits had not had a primary vaccination course when young, up on previous years.
https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellect ... Hql_sgCIQ/

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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by shemp » Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:38 am

Absolute fucking barking-mad insane stupidity!
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Post by sparks » Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:41 pm

Teh Dumbth is strong...
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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by Witness » Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:06 am

French Family Brings the Measles to Costa Rica

A French family is now in isolation because they have measles. It’s a couple, aged 30 and 35, and their 5-year-old son. They traveled for almost 12 hours on a plane from France to Costa Rica with over 300 passengers.

The passengers, potentially exposed to the virus, are being notified. They should go to their nearest health center if they feel ill or to get vaccinated if they haven’t been. The affected flight was Air France AF 430.

The 11 Costa Ricans on that flight have been contacted and the foreigners were sent an email to contact the Ministry of Health. The Ministry of Health and the CCSS are intensely tracking all possible contacts. 24 people who stayed at the same hotel have been vaccinated.

There haven’t been any measles cases in the country since 2014. The case of this French family will not lead to an epidemic, authorities say. It can, however, cause small outbreaks of secondary cases.
https://www.costaricantimes.com/french- ... rica/65495

As per French press, mom & kid weren't vaccinated, and the dad wasn't up to date with his vaccinations. But they'll learn their lesson, having to stay in isolation during their vacation. :twisted:

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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by sparks » Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:36 am

Sagan said it: "When you arrange to live in a technical civilization and then don't educate the citizenry, you're setting up a time bomb."
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Though many refuse the education.

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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by Pyrrho » Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:39 pm

The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.

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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by sparks » Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:58 pm

Doctor X wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:26 am
Though many refuse the education.

--J.D.
Which is why they shouldn't be allowed to vote until passing the Turing test. :)
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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by Witness » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:15 am

Anti-Vaxx Texas Lawmaker Bill Zedler: Measles Outbreak Not an Issue Because of ‘Antibiotics’

A Texas state representative introduced legislation on Wednesday that would make it easier to opt out of childhood vaccinations, despite the resurgence of measles across the U.S. Republican State Rep. Bill Zedler, an outspoken anti-vaxxer, said he is not worried about the spread of vaccine-covered ailments because of “antibiotics.”

“They want to say people are dying of measles. Yeah, in third-world countries they’re dying of measles,” Zedler said Tuesday. “Today, with antibiotics and that kind of stuff, they’re not dying in America.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/anti-vaxx ... ntibiotics

"And that kind of stuff..." :roll: Alas, no vaccine against stupidity, we'll have to continue the hard Darwinian way.

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Post by sparks » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:54 am

Witness wrote:
Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:15 am
Anti-Vaxx Texas Lawmaker Bill Zedler: Measles Outbreak Not an Issue Because of ‘Antibiotics’

A Texas state representative introduced legislation on Wednesday that would make it easier to opt out of childhood vaccinations, despite the resurgence of measles across the U.S. Republican State Rep. Bill Zedler, an outspoken anti-vaxxer, said he is not worried about the spread of vaccine-covered ailments because of “antibiotics.”

“They want to say people are dying of measles. Yeah, in third-world countries they’re dying of measles,” Zedler said Tuesday. “Today, with antibiotics and that kind of stuff, they’re not dying in America.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/anti-vaxx ... ntibiotics

"And that kind of stuff..." :roll: Alas, no vaccine against stupidity, we'll have to continue the hard Darwinian way.
This fucker needs to be.... edumacated. With high velocity lead. Goddamn, what a dumbth fucker.
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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by shemp » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:55 am

:bang_head:
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Post by Witness » Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:10 am

Halifax chiropractor gives up licence, admits to professional incompetence

Dena Churchill posted online extensively about vaccines and made unfounded claims

A Halifax-based chiropractor who attracted attention for her unfounded views on vaccines is no longer licensed to practise in Nova Scotia.

A notice on the Nova Scotia College of Chiropractors' website says Dena Churchill surrendered her licence in January and entered into a settlement agreement with the college in which she admits the charge of being "professionally incompetent as a result of incompetence arising out of mental incapacity."

A hearing on the charge scheduled for next week will no longer go ahead.

The settlement agreement says Churchill underwent a psychological assessment in the fall. She cannot reapply for a licence to practise in Nova Scotia unless she provides a qualified medical opinion to the college's satisfaction that she is competent and fit to practise.

[…]

While the agreement resolves the matter of whether Churchill can practise in Nova Scotia, she still faces a professional misconduct hearing in May related to her online activity.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-sco ... 77?cmp=rss

One less. :twisted:

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Post by sparks » Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:13 pm

It's a start.
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Post by shemp » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:43 am

I'm gonna try it! I hear it's good for teh autizms!
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Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:21 am

xouper wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:23 pm
Witness wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:15 am
Facebook is thinking about removing anti-vaccination content as backlash intensifies over the spread of misinformation on the social network
  • Facebook said in a statement Thursday that it may remove, reduce, and demote anti-vaccination content on the platform in an effort to combat the spread of false information.
  • As an outbreak of measles spreads across the US, advertisements promoted by anti-vaccination organization have been targeting pregnant women on Facebook.
  • At the same time, posts are frequently shared within various Facebook Groups discouraging people from vaccinating their children.
  • Facebook said it is "thinking through what the right approach for this effort might look like" in a statement to Business Insider.
https://www.businessinsider.com/faceboo ... &r=US&IR=T
Next up, Facebook will be censoring any dissent about global warming. Or any dissent about evolution. Or any dissent about intersectional identity politics.

Not a good precedent to set. Facebook should not be an authoritarian arbiter of what is "true".

I understand that the First Amendment does not apply to private companies. Nonetheless it is a bad precedent for large and powerful companies to be anti-free-speech.
I'm going to disagree with this. I think too much misinformation gets spread by Facebook, including misinformation about vaccines, and it's harmful to society. Obviously they should stay out of politics but they shouldn't allow their platform to be used for purposes that harm society either.
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Post by Doctor X » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:35 am

Yeah, this is giving erroneous medical advice delivered with inappropriate authority and resulting in actual material harm.

"It is not a matter of 'opinion,' but a matter of 'fact!'" as a venerable mentor cautioned those upset with the evidences--you are welcome--of physics.

I watched an interesting "shut down" of a discussion on a legal blog devoted to, of all things, free speech. The reason is the Idiot in Question simply had his own opinion of what "hearsay" is. "Hearsay" is a complicated thing which can seem counter-intuitive, I will grant, but for actual lawyers it is a legal definition built up by both common and statutory law. I may not "wike it" or "agree with it" but that does not matter in legal reality.

This Idiot in Question then had the temerity to proclaim that lawyers and judges were all "wrong." Yes. At that point, the owner of the blog--a Real Lawyer[Tm.--Ed.] who attracts comments from other Real Lawyers[All Rights Reserved--Ed.]--kicked his ass out.

"BUT MAI FREEDOMZ!!1!!!"

Sure. But since the Idiot in Question wanted to argue the law while ignoring the law, he becomes like someone telling a biologist that evolution is a "myth," a physicist that "there is no evidence for atoms!" or that a force really is mv rather than mv2, or me telling you that Japanese "really should begin with the verb."

Or the True Claus of Skepticism arguing about kopjiwreighkt law.

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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by sparks » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:19 am

Jeezuz, more dumbth.

"But what about MAI FREEDOMS????" One more once bitch: You do not have the freedom to act irresponsibly. Towards your kids or your community.
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