Anti-vaxxers in power

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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by Pyrrho » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:26 am

It takes more than one person to review study results. Studies are complicated; data even more so. But appealing to a conspiracy theory makes for good publicity these days. All he'd have to do would be to show a Kaplan-Meier chart that contained markers indicating censored data points. He could then holler his lungs out about how the CDC censored scientific data, and sound all righteous and stuff, while remaining an ignorant jerk...although I doubt there would be a K-M chart in these types of study.

Some CDC links to relevant pages.

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/addm- ... index.html

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Conce ... index.html
Thimerosal was taken out of childhood vaccines in the United States in 2001.
Measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccines do not and never did contain thimerosal. Varicella (chickenpox), inactivated polio (IPV), and pneumococcal conjugate vaccines have also never contained thimerosal.
Influenza (flu) vaccines are currently available in both thimerosal-containing (for multi-dose vaccine vials) and thimerosal-free version
From 2010

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/126/4/656

But that won't stop guys like this congressman.
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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:59 am

In the war of Mankind versus disease, he is on the side of disease.
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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by Pyrrho » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:39 am

He is on the side of getting votes.

As with just about all conspiracy theory shills, everybody except him is a liar.
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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:12 pm

Pyrrho wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:39 am
He is on the side of getting votes.
So are all politicians.

But not all politicians engage in biological warfare against their own population as a means to an end.
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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by Pyrrho » Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:01 pm

More like selfish negligence and malpractice. To be engaged in biological warfare he would have to be doing something like infecting orphan children with HIV.
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Post by Doctor X » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:15 pm

Only Muslim doctors do that, Pyrrho.







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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by Pyrrho » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:29 pm

News is that the congressman is "walking back" his statement.
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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by sparks » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:22 pm

The 'Congressman' should walk himself back to the womb. But, his overinflated sense of self worth will undoubtedly prevent that happy ending.
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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by Doctor X » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:27 pm

Pyrrho wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:29 pm
News is that the congressman is "walking back" his statement.
He was clearly taken out of context. . . .

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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by Doctor X » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:28 pm

Though, in a We All Get Ponies! mode, would it not be Nice if, for once, a politician responded: "You know, I was completely wrong. I made that statement not knowing the facts. But thanks to _____ I learned that turkeys can't fly."

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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by Anaxagoras » Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:44 am

His "walk back" was pretty weak. He claimed that his comments were "misconstrued" and repeated that he had vaccinated his own children and that he recommended for others to vaccinate their children.

What he didn't do is take back the part of his previous statement that there might be a link to autism, or that there's some sort of data about the issue that the government is hiding from the public, or that the matter needs more studies.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/te ... 17a535abd7
Green appeared to backtrack in a statement to HuffPost on Wednesday.

“Recent comments I made at a town hall regarding vaccines have been misconstrued,” the representative-elect said. “I want to reiterate my wife and I vaccinated our children, and we believe, and advise others they should have their children vaccinated.”
The Huffington Post is calling this a "walk back" but it really isn't because this is all stuff he said in the previous statement. Nothing in his new statement explicitly says that there is no vaccine-autism link or that he was wrong about anything he said in his previous remarks.
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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by Doctor X » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:46 am

"I am not sorry about what I said, I'm sorry I got caught."

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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by Pyrrho » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:32 am

Word is that he's also a creationist.
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Post by sparks » Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:52 pm

Figures. Stupid is as stupid does.
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Post by Witness » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:58 am

I'll put this with the anti-vaxxers:
Windsor to put fluoride back into the water after council vote

After a five-year moratorium, Windsor will be seeing fluoride in the water again.

City council voted 8-3 in favour of the reintroduction of fluoride. Back in 2013, council voted 8-3 to take it out after more than 50 years of water fluoridation.

The issue was a controversial one with 16 delegates lined up to speak, and 59 emails received by the city clerk ahead of the meeting. The debate went on for hours.

One of the delegates was Dr. Wajid Ahmed, acting medical officer of health with the Windsor-Essex County Health Unit. According to the Oral Health 2018 report released by the health unit, the percentage of children with tooth decay or requiring urgent care has increased by 51 per cent in 2016-17 compared to 2011-12.
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Measles outbreaks now a global problem thanks to anti-vaxxers

The latest figures from the World Health Organization show that 2018 will be another (modern) record-setting year for the highly contagious yet easily preventable disease, with 301,702 suspected and confirmed cases worldwide through the end of October. But those represent just a fraction of the actual number of infections, as most cases in the developing world go unreported.

Late last month, the WHO and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control, published a report that found a 31 per cent rise in worldwide measles cases in 2017, estimating 110,000 deaths due to the disease, mostly children under the age of five. Reported cases have increased in five of the six world health regions, with only Western Pacific nations like Australia and Japan showing progress.

Targeted vaccination campaigns have reduced the number of measles deaths by 80 per cent over the past two decades, from an estimated 545,000 fatal cases in 2000. But vaccine coverage, which needs to be at 95 per cent to offer "herd immunity" and effectively end outbreaks of the disease, has stalled at around 85 per cent and has been falling in several countries.

The reason is the anti-vaxxer movement, which has lately been gaining strength and support from populist governments who share their science skepticism.
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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by Anaxagoras » Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:25 pm

Hmm, sounds like despite the anti-vaxxers some good progress has been made worldwide since 2000. From 500K to 100K. Still could be better though.
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Post by shemp » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:12 pm

It could be a lot closer to zero if it wasn't for fucktards.
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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by Doctor X » Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:32 am

Exactly.

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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

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