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DMSO and fake science

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DMSO is with out any doubt a miracle

It’s an extremely useful and much used medicinal chemical, and also a great paint stripper, engine degrease, and dangerous as fuck if you don’t follow the directions

It’s both industrial solvent, and an essential part of modern medical science

If you believe US experts, medical experts, and the FDA, it’s only approved for one thing, and everything else is a maybe, because of fake science.

Like fake news, fake science can be really hard to deal with, and impossible to change. Of course the US isn’t the world, and DMSO is much used and much research is going on world wide.

But goddamn you even suggest it’s a useful substance for many medical matters, the fake news wokerati will want your head in a basket
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For the uninformed, the only thing you are allowed to do with it in the US, is to mix it 50/50 with distilled water and inject it directly into someone’s bladder.

As far as medical treatment, that is it.

The fake science is the part where they say it might be dangerous, too little is known about possible dangers, blah blah blah blah blah blah

This is complete and utter horseshit

It’s absolutely fake

And unlike many matters, this one is easy as fuck to debunk


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I'm pretty sure it's in common use among athletes as a liniment.

Or is that "off label"?
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Totally illegal

You can’t even mention that legally

Not a single claim can be made about DMSO under US law
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It’s possible for the brainwashed to disregard the animal use, trust me, they will

That’s not going to debunk the fake science

(The fact it’s been used on race horses, horses, cattle, dogs and such can be handwaved away with ease)

Even after 90 years of vets using it, that won’t work
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Just so you know, it’s sold everywhere for animal use, any farm goods or tractor supply will have it

Medical grade pure

But it will clearly say “solvent use only”, even have all kinds of warnings on it, which a farmer will ignore of course, except for the important one, the one that really does make it dangerous to use
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I'm vaguely recalling Jerry Rubin or someone like that, claiming to have mixed DMSO with LSD and deployed it as an anti-personnel weapon against police (using a water pistol).

Not that anyone ever did that, but it was part of Operation Mindfuck. :oldman:
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That will work

That’s the danger, anything mixed with it goes right into your blood, right through your skin
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Pro tip

Wear gloves
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Now that you mention it, I'm also vaguely recalling Carleton Fredericks touting DMSO as a cure for something or other. Also that Randi tangled with Carleton Fredericks on several occasion, but not specifically about DMSO.

Is that what you're referring to?

The Wiki article does not mention Randi or DMSO. ==> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlton_Fredericks
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I know nothing of Carleton or Randi in this regards
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The reason it's such a steaming pile of absolute horseshit, is because DMSO is used all the time in medical ways. In fact, it's absolutely essential in order to freeze tissue, sperm, eggs, and anything else you want to bring back to life.

That's right, it's the essential ingredient that penetrates right into living tissue, saturating eggs, sperm, any tissue, before you freeze it. With out DMSO, you will not be bringing any frozen material back to life.

So the DMSO that is not allowed for medical use, because you know, there is no evidence that it might not be harmful, is the exact same DMSO that they saturate eggs and sperm cells with, in order to protect them from death from freezing. And you can be damn sure they know it isn't going to fuck up reproductive cell, or they wouldn't dare use it.

UPDATE!

While researching the science, I found this.
In 2009, the first to obtain FDA approval for topological DMSO usage was PENNSAID®, which contains diclofenac in a carrier with 45.5% DMSO
OK so they approved a second use, and damn that is a high amount of DMSO, but hey, it must work well.

The fake science started in the 1960s, when they thought DMSO was causing eye problems. (it wasn't) But they shut down all research in the US over it.
Though clinical trials for medical applications of dimethyl sulfoxide (DMSO) reported toxicity in the 1960s, later, the FDA classified DMSO in the safest solvent category. DMSO became widely used in many biomedical fields and biological effects were overlooked
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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-40660-0

That's putting it mildly.

For sure the amounts used as a cryoprotectant are not good, and nobody would ever want any part of their fucking body infused with almost pure DMSO, but goddamn, it is so incredibly useful, it's criminal how the FDA acts in this regard.
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Because it would be illegal, I can't even tell you what it's good for, what actually works. But it does work amazingly well, and we even know why.
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robinson wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:48 pm
1 I can't even tell you what it's good for, what actually works.

2 But it does work amazingly well, and we even know why.
That was an amazing bit of contradiction. Are you stoned?
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What I'm reading about it suggests that DMSO is just as good as placebo for most ailments.
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robinson wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:26 pm DMSO is with out any doubt a miracle

It’s an extremely useful and much used medicinal chemical, and also a great paint stripper, engine degrease, and dangerous as fuck if you don’t follow the directions

It’s both industrial solvent, and an essential part of modern medical science

If you believe US experts, medical experts, and the FDA, it’s only approved for one thing, and everything else is a maybe, because of fake science.

Like fake news, fake science can be really hard to deal with, and impossible to change. Of course the US isn’t the world, and DMSO is much used and much research is going on world wide.

But goddamn you even suggest it’s a useful substance for many medical matters, the fake news wokerati will want your head in a basket
I've heard claims that it cures dipshittery, but you are the example that clearly disproves it.
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shemp wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:45 pm I've heard claims that it cures dipshittery
No you haven't. You are just making shit up, or as Randi would say, you are full of shit.
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Rob Lister wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:21 pm
robinson wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:48 pm
1 I can't even tell you what it's good for, what actually works.

2 But it does work amazingly well, and we even know why.
That was an amazing bit of contradiction. Are you stoned?


Your reading comprehension is suffering.
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Pyrrho wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:14 pm What I'm reading about it suggests that DMSO is just as good as placebo for most ailments.
I don't believe you. Provide a source.
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The placebo argument is of course, one of the ways to avoid the evidence from animals. There is zero doubt about the treatment of animals, and animals are not subject to the placebo effect.

This is why I said the many years of treatment of animals will not matter at all. The fake science surrounding DMSO is quite strong.

For example, note that the info on an FDA approved use was just ignored.
In 2009, the first to obtain FDA approval for topological DMSO usage was PENNSAID®, which contains diclofenac in a carrier with 45.5% DMSO
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