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Anaxagoras wrote: Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:07 am
I watched that game the other day. Awesome.

Currently watching the jose raul capablanca series (1901) on agadmator's channel. Capablanca had no formal training and knew no theory on opening or end games. He kicked ass.
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Not chess, but AI & games:
Google’s DeepMind AI beats pro StarCraft II players

Google’s artificial intelligence lab DeepMind announced Thursday that it has successfully beaten two professional StarCraft II players with AI.

In preparation for the matches, DeepMind’s specially trained AI “AlphaStar” was fed 200 years’ worth of StarCraft II playing experience.

Facing off against Team Liquid’s Grzegorz “MaNa” Komincz and Dario “TLO” Wünsch, AlphaStar was able to beat both players over the course of five matches each.

Wünsch even described the AI as playing “completely different” than any human he has encountered.

While AI has been successful in popular games such as Quake III arena and Dota 2, AlphaStar’s victory is significant given the complexity of StarCraft II, arguably one of the most challenging real-time strategy games ever made.

As noted by Kotaku, AlphaStar was able to win not by making decisions faster but by making better and more thought-out decisions in general. In fact, the number of clicks and key presses made per minute by the AI was “significantly lower than the professional players.”
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/google-d ... rcraft-ii/

For lots of technical details: https://deepmind.com/blog/alphastar-mas ... rcraft-ii/

What about military applications? :|
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I read about that--they did an impressive amount of tweaking to isolate advantages in control agility and awareness, from decision making. One thing that's interesting to consider at this level is what counts as an even playing field. The computer knowing information about the battlefield that a human wouldn't... obviously does not fall under that, and it comes up even in turn-based. What about being able to give orders in ways that would be physically impossible for a mouse-and-keyboard setup? There's the average "clicks per minute" but is that measured over the entire round? A computer that operated more efficiently could have lower clicks per minute during planning and higher during a skirmish.

What if there were a physically disabled player that had a fancy interface that translated their brain signals directly into computer input instead of using the mouse and keyboard?
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Hnefatafl
A Viking chess-like game. The name means Kings Table.

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The pronunciation is all over the place.
http://www.pronouncekiwi.com/Hnefatafl

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I got there from here.


I'll bet alpha zero could conquer this in an hour.
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How about some analysis from a female perspective?

It's another AlphaZero vs. Stockfish game, but I don't think I've seen this particular variation covered yet.

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I'd like to play her position . . . heh . . . heh . . . no . . . wait . . . that came out wrong.

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Years ago, when the high end programs became available online (in a browser no less), I used to pit them against each other, and spent endless days watching the most high level robot chess matches. As the game got farther in, and the programs more advanced, it might take hours for the next move. But goddamn, the level of hyper real complicated shit these computers would do against each other.

It was real actual future sci-fi on my laptop.
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As far as I know, there has never been a Youtube channel showing that shit. (which means nothing)

Somewhere somebody probably has condensed a 36 hour match down to a 5 minute video.
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robinson wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:02 pm Years ago, when the high end programs became available online (in a browser no less), I used to pit them against each other, and spent endless days watching the most high level robot chess matches. As the game got farther in, and the programs more advanced, it might take hours for the next move. But goddamn, the level of hyper real complicated shit these computers would do against each other.

It was real actual future sci-fi on my laptop.
Sometimes when I'm bored I'll go to a couple of chess websites and play the house programs against each other. Once in awhile they'll come up with a good game, but mostly it's uneventful draws.
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shemp wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:55 am
robinson wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:02 pm Years ago, when the high end programs became available online (in a browser no less), I used to pit them against each other, and spent endless days watching the most high level robot chess matches. As the game got farther in, and the programs more advanced, it might take hours for the next move. But goddamn, the level of hyper real complicated shit these computers would do against each other.

It was real actual future sci-fi on my laptop.
Sometimes when I'm bored I'll go to a couple of chess websites and play the house programs against each other. Once in awhile they'll come up with a good game, but mostly it's uneventful draws.
The better chess players get, and the better matched, the more common draws become. The last human championship was all draws until they went to the tiebreaker round with a short clock.
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shemp wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:55 am Sometimes when I'm bored I'll go to a couple of chess websites and play the house programs against each other. Once in awhile they'll come up with a good game, but mostly it's uneventful draws.
If they are evenly matched it's almost always a boring draw
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Sometimes it is a draw because the higher ranked player is bored. Magnus will often offer a draw when he's a bit behind. The lesser-ranked player will agree because a draw against him is a win for them. It's fucking disappointing.

OTOH, the [early] Leela Zero games against Stockfish were fucking awesome.
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Yeah but the AlphaZero matches sucked
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Chess world news:

Carlsen Draws Controversy With New Club, 2020 World Championship Stance

Among other things, he's really pushing for the 2020 world chess championship not to be held in Norway.
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Anaxagoras wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:05 pm Chess world news:

Carlsen Draws Controversy With New Club, 2020 World Championship Stance

Among other things, he's really pushing for the 2020 world chess championship not to be held in Norway.
His is a reasonable position and I don't blame him. The tournament is to be held in November of 2020. Carlsen is Norwegian and as such, knows well what Norway in November is like.

at the very least, I think the reigning champ should have some say. 'Cause if he don't play,...

Fuck that, he's going to Florida.
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Well I got the sense from the article that it wasn't really about the weather.
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It was about the pussy?
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He wants a match against ed.
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Interesting game with an early queen sacrifice



It's all very far beyond anything I could even contemplate doing on purpose. But fun to watch.
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Watched it the other day. Cool game. When black sacrificed the queen I thought for sure he was done. I thought that right up to when white resigned.
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Follow-up to the news story I posted earlier:

Stavanger, Norway Withdraws 2020 World Champs Bid After Carlsen Pressure
Stavanger, Norway is officially out of the bidding process for the 2020 world chess championship, organizers announced.
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Can I just say that they should change the rules to more greatly discourage draws. I don't know how. I'm just the idea man.
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Hmmm, I'm drawing a blank there.

You could give them less time I suppose. Perhaps a bonus for winning games? So that both players win more if there are fewer draws?
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A bonus for winning. Yea. Doesn't have to be a 'score' bonus that effects your standing. Maybe a cash prize per win. Or a blowjob from Alexandra Botez.

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Her king looks a bit droopy
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Anaxagoras wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:54 am Her king looks a bit droopy
You'd think grandmasters would play on better boards. I suppose those are for the novice.

In other news
Chess Grandmaster Busted Cheating in the Bathroom
Igors Rausis says he 'lost my mind'

(Newser) – One could be forgiven for never having heard of Igors Rausis—probably until the 58-year-old chess grandmaster got himself busted cheating in a tournament with his smartphone in a toilet stall. As the Guardian reports, the International Chess Federation says it caught the Latvian-Czech player "red-handed using his phone during a game" on Friday, and has since suspended him. The ICF says that Rausis was long suspected to be a cheat—his ranking has miraculously shot up in recent years—and that the bust is "merely the first shot" in its fight against cheating.
https://www.newser.com/story/277771/che ... -mind.html

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I've been watching this Fischer random chess thing on agadmator's channel.

I think I might even like this more than regular chess.



It's Carlson vs Caruana. Wesley So and Ian Nepo are also involved. Top rate players all around.

I actually found the move at 8:20. Kinda surprised myself. I usually pause the video and try to find a good move when he promps it, but I'm pretty hit-or-miss at that. But I found this one.
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Wait. What? Weird. Why?
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Change of pace. It makes for interesting openings. Openings you wouldn't normally see in a game between grandmasters.
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The final match is underway, Carlson vs So, and agadmator has videos of the first 4 matches already up. They are all quite interesting!

Game 1:
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It is too frustrating for me.
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Why? It's not like you're the one playing.

It's just like watching football. You don't have to be good at playing football to watch.
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Want to take a minute to remember Shelby Lyman. I watched this guy for the whole match. He would get excited "Oh Boy, what a move!!!" etc etc.
I was sad to see that he died recently. Actually my bro and I did. God, must have played 100 games during that match. I lost all of them as I recall.

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Shelbourne Richard Lyman (October 22, 1936 – August 11, 2019) was an American chess player and teacher known for hosting a live broadcast of the 1972 World Chess Championship for the PBS television station Channel 13 in Albany, New York, New York. This broadcast became the highest-rated public television program ever at that time, far surpassing viewership expectations. He was also taught sociology at the City College of New York for three and a half years.[1] Shortly after the 1972 World Championship ended, he began writing a syndicated column about chess for Newsday; at its peak, this column was published in 82 newspapers around the world.[2] He later hosted a two-hour broadcast covering the World Chess Championship 1986. This segment was recorded at WNYE-TV in Brooklyn and aired on 120 public television stations.[3]
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Met him but never played against him. He helped make chess come alive for many Americans.
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I will say that agadmator is much better at this than he was a few years ago.

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It's worth noting that he just hit 500,000 subscribers.
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I loved the watch.
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I couldn't see the killer move here, but it's a good one if you can find it
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I finally found it after agadmator showed it to me.