## Complete phoney and fake

What's your artifact doing in Boss Kean's ditch?
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### Complete phoney and fake

I bought one like this in Maine many years ago. It isn't really a fake sine there was never a real knife like this in service in Nazi Germany. Rather it is correctly termed a "fantasy" piece. The one I have has a blade marked Eikhorn which is a legit maker who made blades for the Nazi regime. That is sorta what fooled me when i bought the damn thing. It was "correct enough" plus "NAZI". It is the only Nazi thing I ever bought and since I find collecting that stuff distasteful it is appropriate that I got screwed. It was $60 as I recall. Still have it. A reminder. Here is a faked piece: Fake1910.jpg This is a Mauser m.1910 .25acp pistol. Serial is good, that triangle/circle thing is good. The eagle marks are crap. Why? .25 pistols were not part of the nazi armamentarium so they were never inspected for military use. Ergo the marks are fake. Pistol, unmarked, would have been worth$300. The guy is trying for $800. Pistol is good, marks are fake so the whole thing, as presented, is fake. BTW, the stamps can be bought on ebay. I recall teaching my kids this as I dragged them thru antique stores and flea markets. I collect prints. Not the "Art prints" that Abdul "collects" of young men in suggistive poses but older stuff. A real print will have a plate mark, viz. Silk screens and so on are printed but not really prints and do not have such a mark. That may be too fine a point. Anyway, you see examples of old maps regularly. Stuff like this Often a plate mark is missing. And if virtually any pre 1600 map is priced less than$600 or so smile and walk away. If it is presented as real then it is fake. A reproduction is just that. I don't think I've ever seen a bad print that you could't tell pretty easily but I think that one could do a fake that would pretty easily fool a sophisticated amateur like me. Point is that it would be expensive to do and you don't buy expensive stuff without an iron clad guarantee of authenticity, nor from people that look like Shemp selling out of their car trunk.

I never touch jap stuff since it is the realm of fakers and I know shit about it. Similarly, Nazi stuff has been faked since the first GI bought Hermann Goering's gold plated Luger with real Nazi stamps all over it. Factories in Germany kept turning out the Nazi marked crap they made during the war till long after the war. Pieces that were awaiting assembly at war's end were assembled post war. Are these fakes? Welllllll ... they are not "of the period" so if they are represented as "Nazi" I'd call them fake, others may not. I understand that a lot of stuff is being produced in central europe now. Poland is, evidentially, a big source. If something is marked "Nazi" walk away. A friend who has been dealing in Nazi material for 30-40 years won't touch medals any longer. The fakes are just too good and he can't tell.

Here is a good one, a "Hitler Youth Knife"

And in virtually mint condition!!!!!!

Lets see if you have been paying attention ...

I'll let you have it for $300, what do you say? I can recall seeing barrels (literally barrels) of these things in Kauffman's Army Navy store in NYC when I was a kid. Are there real ones? Yup. Is this one of the real ones? Do you really have to ask? 1) condition is perfect 2)fucking NAZI!!! have you not been paying attention? You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post. Last edited by ed on Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:31 pm, edited 1 time in total. Wenn ich Kultur höre, entsichere ich meinen Browning! Abdul Alhazred Posts: 77963 Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:33 pm Title: Yes, that one. Location: Chicago ### Re: Complete phoney and fake You luger pic needs to be rehosted. One must be logged in there to see it. As for this one: "Fake" only if touted as real. Otherwise it is "fan art". The arc of the moral universe bends towards chaos. People who believe God or History are on their side provide the chaos. Abdul Alhazred Posts: 77963 Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:33 pm Title: Yes, that one. Location: Chicago ### Re: Complete phoney and fake Not the "Art prints" that Abdul "collects" of young men in suggistive poses but older stuff. I might if I had a rich sugar daddy. The arc of the moral universe bends towards chaos. People who believe God or History are on their side provide the chaos. shemp Posts: 5908 Joined: Thu Jun 10, 2004 12:16 pm Title: crazy as fuck Location: is everything ### Re: Complete phoney and fake I'll have you know that I do NOT sell out of a car trunk, I'm a legitimate operator who sells out of the back of a van! "It is not I who is mad! It is I who is crazy!" -- Ren Hoek Freedom of choice Is what you got Freedom from choice Is what you want ed Posts: 36162 Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:52 pm Title: The Hero of Sukhbataar ### Re: Complete phoney and fake shemp wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:45 pm I'll have you know that I do NOT sell out of a car trunk, I'm a legitimate operator who sells out of the back of a van! I forgot about your moble siding business Wenn ich Kultur höre, entsichere ich meinen Browning! ed Posts: 36162 Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:52 pm Title: The Hero of Sukhbataar ### Re: Complete phoney and fake Abdul Alhazred wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:12 pm You luger pic needs to be rehosted. One must be logged in there to see it. As for this one: "Fake" only if touted as real. Otherwise it is "fan art". 1) fixed 2) as my attorney used to say "wear stripes" Wenn ich Kultur höre, entsichere ich meinen Browning! Anaxagoras Posts: 25371 Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:45 am Location: Yokohama/Tokyo, Japan ### Re: Complete phoney and fake I've always known Shemp to be an honest, legitimate purveyor of antiquities. The Mask of Tutankhamun he sold me the other day was a real bargain! He even threw in an Order of Sukhbaatar medal at no extra charge! A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool. William Shakespeare ed Posts: 36162 Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:52 pm Title: The Hero of Sukhbataar ### Re: Complete phoney and fake I was wondering where mine went Wenn ich Kultur höre, entsichere ich meinen Browning! Doctor X Posts: 71292 Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:09 pm Title: Collective Messiah Location: Your Mom ### Re: Complete phoney and fake He should have given you a discount for the first since it clearly says, "Made in Taiwan." – J.D. Mob of the Mean: Free beanie, cattle-prod and Charley Fan Club! 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Witness Posts: 23029 Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm ### Re: Complete phoney and fake Nazi memorabilia due to go on show in Buenos Aires Holocaust Museum found to be fake A trove of Nazi memorabilia that was going to be displayed at the Holocaust Museum in Buenos Aires has been found to consist largely of fakes. The haul was discovered in June 2017 in a suburb of the Argentinian capital and included a bust of Adolf Hitler, binoculars and war medals. Police seized 75 items at the time and experts have since confirmed that just 10 are genuine. The museum said in a statement that, following an assessment by German investigators, it will not display any of the inauthentic artifacts. Reuters reports that the articles were due to go on display in December. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/30/amer ... index.html ed Posts: 36162 Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:52 pm Title: The Hero of Sukhbataar ### Re: Complete phoney and fake Then there is Joe Walters, owner of the House of Swords and Militaria. I have written about him here, how I was first exposed to real faking thru his work. The silver grip is also a problem and this style of sword has been heavily faked by such dealers as "House of Swords and Militaria" who utilized the ORs (Official Records) to look up dates and battles and was particularly fond of faking MOH awardees. The dealer would mount original period blades on newly cast hilts and scabbards and have a jeweler hand engrave presentations on the scabbards between the bands. Your grip does not seem to fit and does not appear to be silver from the photos. The bottom of the grip seems to be pushed into the guard and this is often indicative of fitting a blade with a too short tang to an overlong grip. http://www.swordforum.com/vb4/showthrea ... rles-Black This guy faked everything not just high end presentation swords. And that is particularly insidious. A$10,000 sword will get scrutiny. A $400 one not so much. He faked swords and other stuff. I have a catalog kicking around somewhere and it has concentration camp memorabilia (!). I bought a couple of swords from him at bargain prices ( ), one was marked "Made in Spain". Called FBI, made a fool of myself. Etc etc etc Guy was evidentially murdered some time ago. The Nazi stuff was over the top. He also had "authentic" Crusader armor and weapons. I knew but like most victims of a swindle, I wanted to believe and my greed overcame my common sense. I did get my money back though. Wasn't a lot, maybe$600 or so.

Here is an archived article on the guy.
Marlin (Bud) Hasher has a room in his New Jersey home with 45 mannequins in immaculate Nazi uniforms, as well as one dressed as Hitler ("The kids love that one") and another with a crudely penned beard and starkly carved face, wearing the stained garb of an inmate from Dachau. One wall is lined with 100 helmets and caps, from the Luftwaffe, the Panzer corps, the Waffen SS, each bearing a swastika. Another wall is covered with daggers, a third with swords. Why? The question reverberates because Bud Hasher, a mechanical designer, is Jewish.

NYT 11/28/93

Bottom line is that paying a premium by buying thru an established dealer is a very good idea. There was a dealer I knew, name of Norm Flayderman who sold very high end stuff. He had an authenticity guarantee for lifetime. Norm stood by his stuff.

Last thought. I bought a US Officiers Saber once, at a shop across the river from New Hope PA. Looked sorta like this

It was 100% "of the period". All the pieces were good. Thing is that it was assembled well after the date of purported use (ie 1865). Think about it. The economy of a country is directed to war and the war ends. How much crap is sitting in warehouses waiting for shipment? More to the point: how many pieces of things for war are sitting there waiting for assembly?

The sword I bought was made up of authentic pieces. The giveaway was the blade. It was worn. The rest of it was not.

A good lesson. Every pice of the thing has to show age. And the aging has to be consistant

Thats why I like guns. Unless you go into the stratosphere what you see is pretty much what you got.
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