Was Jesus a commie?

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Could Jesus' philosophies be described as communist/socialistic?

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Was Jesus a commie?

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Seems like it to me. The way the disciples lived and shared everything, the loaves-and-fishes thing, his free health care plan. What do you think?
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Re: Was Jesus a commie?

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Sundog wrote:Seems like it to me. The way the disciples lived and shared everything, the loaves-and-fishes thing, his free health care plan. What do you think?
I agree and too am confused as to how Christianity has become tied to the political right, particularly it’s financial policies. For example, I look in the Bible and see:

Luke 6:30 (also Matt 5:42):
Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
And Matt. 19:21-24 (also Mark 10 and Luke 18):
Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions. And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
What does Pat Robertson know about camels and needles that I don’t?

Most notable to me is the way in which the early Christians are said to live:
Acts 4 32-35:
And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.


In Acts 5, a Christian couple sells some of their land, but fib about the price to the group so that they could keep the rest for themselves. For that God kills them on the spot. As far as I can see, this is the only place in the New Testament where God kills, and it’s to uphold this sort of communism.

I mean:

“distribution was made unto every man according as he had need”

That's quite red. :)
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That's almost the definition of red.
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bump

This one scares everyone, because they know I'm right. :D

And it goes without saying that a "no" vote with no defense behind it is meaningless, so I won't say it.
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Sundog wrote:bump

This one scares everyone, because they know I'm right. :D

And it goes without saying that a "no" vote with no defense behind it is meaningless, so I won't say it.
Wow, I've seen that manouever before, it's the if you don't agree with me I'll ignore your vote discount.

I think Jesus, if she existed at all, lived in a time when most everything was much more communial, and you can't even begin to attach modern-day labels to whatever she did or did not channel from the invisible pink unicorn.

So, I was the one who voted no. I don't think the comparison is licit.
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Skeeve wrote:
Sundog wrote:bump

This one scares everyone, because they know I'm right. :D

And it goes without saying that a "no" vote with no defense behind it is meaningless, so I won't say it.
Wow, I've seen that manouever before, it's the if you don't agree with me I'll ignore your vote discount.
Where? In one of Win's threads at JREF, perhaps? ;)

Come, Skeeve. You're better than this. It's a explain your reasoning, please, or I'll think you're just voting out of reflex.
I think Jesus, if she existed at all, lived in a time when most everything was much more communial, and you can't even begin to attach modern-day labels to whatever she did or did not channel from the invisible pink unicorn.

So, I was the one who voted no. I don't think the comparison is licit.
I think you're still unfamiliar with my style. My purpose in this thread is simply to challenge people's assumption that anything that whiffs of socialistic thought is automatically evil. I am not trying to say that Jesus implies Karl Marx.

Note that this discussion has naught to do with pink unicorns. I am questioning whether the actions of the hypothetical Jesus portrayed in the Bible reflect a socialist bent. Not a pink unicorn for miles around.
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Sundog wrote:Note that this discussion has naught to do with pink unicorns. I am questioning whether the actions of the hypothetical Jesus portrayed in the Bible reflect a socialist bent. Not a pink unicorn for miles around.
Ok. I still don't think the two are comparable, so I vote no.

Socialistic asssertions in an age when community socialism is necessary to survive is not the same as modern-day, high-tech socialism.
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Skeeve wrote:
Sundog wrote:Note that this discussion has naught to do with pink unicorns. I am questioning whether the actions of the hypothetical Jesus portrayed in the Bible reflect a socialist bent. Not a pink unicorn for miles around.
Ok. I still don't think the two are comparable, so I vote no.

Socialistic asssertions in an age when community socialism is necessary to survive is not the same as modern-day, high-tech socialism.
A good point. I still think it's an interesting question. We have no problem transporting other concepts and philosophies into modern times without creating anachronisms.

Should we, then, temper Jesus's direct quotes (well, allegedly) with a grain of salt, because he was merely reflecting the society around him? This seems a risky path to go down.

Edited to add: I think you have your genders confused. There doesn't seem to be any more doubt about Jesus's gender than that of any other semihistorical figure. It's God who's obviously female.
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Sundog wrote:A good point. I still think it's an interesting question. We have no problem transporting other concepts and philosophies into modern times without creating anachronisms.
Ugh! What you mean we Kemo Sabe?

Personally, I think it's one of the worst things that worshipers of the IPU can do.

Should we, then, temper Jesus's direct quotes (well, allegedly) with a grain of salt, because he was merely reflecting the society around him? This seems a risky path to go down.
I should say that ultimately, all words from all humans are placed in the context that they are uttered in. We should remove them from that context very carefully, and with a grain fo salt.

I am well aware that worshipers of the IPU do this all the time, it's but one of the many issues that I find suspect in many of their actions.

Edited to add: I think you have your genders confused. There doesn't seem to be any more doubt about Jesus's gender than that of any other semihistorical figure. It's God who's obviously female.
Well, if I were a woman who wanted to go preach in that day and age, I'd certainly chose alternate lifestyle and dress, and also preach the ideal of personal modesty.

Let's consider, any parthinogenic human would have to be 'xx', would they not? :P
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Skeeve wrote:Ugh! What you mean we Kemo Sabe?

Personally, I think it's one of the worst things that worshipers of the IPU can do.
Surely there's more to bring forward from the past than IPU worship. Plato? Socrates? Aristotle? They translate fairly well into the present day without our having to adjust for anachronic inflation. ;)

Let's consider, any parthinogenic human would have to be 'xx', would they not? :P
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Sundog wrote:Surely there's more to bring forward from the past than IPU worship. Plato? Socrates? Aristotle? They translate fairly well into the present day without our having to adjust for anachronic inflation. ;)
Indeed, but there we have the word of the person his or herself, not the half-remembered words of third-hand stories written long after the event. What's more, we have people working in formalism, who have established the basis and scope of their thinking, rather than the half remembered word of ....

Well, I guess I've said my point. :D
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Re: Was Jesus a commie?

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Sundog wrote:Seems like it to me. The way the disciples lived and shared everything, the loaves-and-fishes thing, his free health care plan. What do you think?
That doesn't sound much like Communism to me.

It sounds like a variation on the old "Jesus was whatever I am" schtick.
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Jesus wasn't a communist. Jesus was the world's first hippy.
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Pyrrho wrote:Jesus wasn't a communist. Jesus was the world's first hippy.
How did you KNOW where I was eventually going to go with this?

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Sundog wrote:
Pyrrho wrote:Jesus wasn't a communist. Jesus was the world's first hippy.
How did you KNOW where I was eventually going to go with this?

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Well, frankly, I was restraining myself. Let's see. Love, not war. and Drop out, tune in.

I wonder. :D :D :D
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Sundog wrote:

It's God who's obviously female.
Actually, taking things to their logical extreme, Christians claim to worship only one god, rendering the question of gender moot. It would simply not be possible for god to be either a he or a she. God would be an it, and should be referred to as such.

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Skeeve wrote:
Well, frankly, I was restraining myself. Let's see. Love, not war. and Drop out, tune in.

I wonder. :D :D :D
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ebola wrote:
Sundog wrote:

It's God who's obviously female.
Actually, taking things to their logical extreme, Christians claim to worship only one god, rendering the question of gender moot. It would simply not be possible for god to be either a he or a she. God would be an it, and should be referred to as such.

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Sundog,

And mine as well. I am not the newbie I seem; I have posted ( sparingly ) on the other board for a couple of years.

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Pyrrho wrote:Jesus wasn't a communist. Jesus was the world's first hippy.
Digger is the word you're looking for I think.
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