Atheist to lead "Prayer" in Florida council meetin

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Atheist to lead "Prayer" in Florida council meetin

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It was Councilman John Dingfelder's turn to pick prayer givers for July. After talking with Ed Golly, chairman of Atheists of Florida, Dingfelder chose an atheist for one meeting.

``Everybody deserves their opportunity, as long as it's respectful,'' he said.


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/ ... -headlines

What's interesting is that pretty much everybody interviewed in the article had an attitude of, "Yeah, okay whatever."
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That was probably the actual text of the prayer, too!
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I was asked by my rep. to do this in my state legislature, but decided it wasn’t appropriate (also worried it would hurt me politically much more than help). The Unitarian minister took my place and did a much better job than I could have.

Should an agnostic or atheist involve themselves in these sort of religious/governmental ceremonies? It just seemed right to decline but I’m not sure. I still don’t even know what to do when my in-laws pray at dinner. Say amen or no? Both options seem disrespectful.
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Start eating in the middle of the prayer?

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UPDATE!

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Here's a little follow-up:
TAMPA -- Three Tampa city council members walked out of chambers rather than listen to an atheist give the opening invocation.

Council members Kevin White, Mary Alvarez and Rose Ferlita left their seats Thursday rather than listen to Michael R. Harvey, a member of Atheists of Florida who had been invited by council member John Dingfelder to offer the invocation.

Even before Harvey spoke, White was pushing to cancel the invocation. These are sacred moments that refer to a supreme being, White said, and this speaker doesn't believe in God.

``We have never had people of an atheist group represent Americans,'' White said. ``And I don't think it is appropriate in this setting.''
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``We have never had people of an atheist group represent Americans,'' White said. ``And I don't think it is appropriate in this setting.''
Jackasses. :roll:
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Quester_X wrote:
``We have never had people of an atheist group represent Americans,'' White said. ``And I don't think it is appropriate in this setting.''
Jackasses. :roll:
Hey, at least it's not as bad as when Bush Sr. said that atheists shouldn't even be considered citizens.

It's just more evidence that atheists are a convenient group for politicians to bash. Replace the word 'atheist' in that sentence with just about any religion except maybe Satanists, and people would flip out. But since they bashed atheists, it's okay with most people and a certain (large) segment of the population is likely scrambling for their wallets even now to assure these guys' re-election.
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Nyarlathotep wrote:
Quester_X wrote:
``We have never had people of an atheist group represent Americans,'' White said. ``And I don't think it is appropriate in this setting.''
Jackasses. :roll:
Hey, at least it's not as bad as when Bush Sr. said that atheists shouldn't even be considered citizens.
O, tentacled one, did Bush really say this about atheists? :o
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O, tentacled one, did Bush really say this about atheists?
Yes, he did. And more. To the face of the head of American Atheists. Jerkwad. :evil:
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Quester_X wrote:
O, tentacled one, did Bush really say this about atheists?
Yes, he did. And more. To the face of the head of American Atheists. Jerkwad. :evil:
So much for the First Amendment... :roll:
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Quester_X wrote:
O, tentacled one, did Bush really say this about atheists?
Yes, he did. And more. To the face of the head of American Atheists. Jerkwad. :evil:
[derail]I love this phrase Quester: To the face of the head

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I'm not making serious fun of you....I do like that phrasing.....


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MLynn wrote: ...[D]id Bush really say this about atheists? :o
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MLynn wrote:
Nyarlathotep wrote:
Quester_X wrote:
``We have never had people of an atheist group represent Americans,'' White said. ``And I don't think it is appropriate in this setting.''
Jackasses. :roll:
Hey, at least it's not as bad as when Bush Sr. said that atheists shouldn't even be considered citizens.
O, tentacled one, did Bush really say this about atheists? :o
AS other have pointed out, yes he did. It wasn't just some little slip of the tongue either. When pressed on the issue, his spokespeople neither apologized nor explained his comments. His spokespeople told one guy who was hounding him on the issue "Belive in God and get off our backs"

Here is a little history on the incident