MRC_Hans wrote:I will make an exception and answer a Carlos post:
Carlos, there is no contradiction between faith and scepticism, quite the contrary.
To say "I have faith in this" means "I do not know, but I choose to accept this"; a true skeptical stance.
In contrast, believers say "I know this is so". That is not a skeptical stance because without proof, you cannot know.
Hi MRC Hans :
I know that when things are getting diffcult to the JREFers you need to come in their rescue. Besides you are another JREFer.
I understand that your ignore buttom just make you be more curious.
The point here is that FAITH in something that you pray to obtain something.
That something that you pray to , is ( under the skeptic perspective ), unknown , something without any evidence or proof of existence , something not scientifically explained , something that has to be questioned.
Yes , we are talking about that kind of Faith.
Then that FAITH is a true belief.
So please tell me . under what circunstances you accept that a true believer is also an skeptic?
Can a person be both a skeptic and a person of faith?
The answer is, Mr. Randi and I agree, a resounding YES.
We have already Thaiboxerken point of view , he is in disagree with the JREF "skeptical" announce.
I understand his bad/insulting style , since I was the one who was questioning him and made him think.
What it counts is how SKEPTICISM can easily be involved in a double speech.
Are you saying that you completely agree with the "skeptical" position of the JREF regarding that kind of faith?
What about the persons that thinks that is just a marketing strategy in order to collect money from true believers(aka woo woos)?
Is that an honest position?
Theres is a difference about being sceptic and being skeptic.
I hope you "comprende".
If you don't , you can return to your old style.