Religiousity in the US vs. Religiousityin Europe

[Grammatron]

Me either. I do know though that it requires more than an American High School Exam to gain admittance to most universities in Europe. I know this first hand as I had to take International Baccalaureate (IB) courses in my last two years in high school in the Philipines, in order to be eligible for entrance to a Danish university.

I just have one question: what is American High School Exam?

[DanishDynamite]

Me either. I do know though that it requires more than an American High School Exam to gain admittance to most universities in Europe. I know this first hand as I had to take International Baccalaureate (IB) courses in my last two years in high school in the Philipines, in order to be eligible for entrance to a Danish university.

I just have one question: what is American High School Exam?

The diploma you get when you graduate from an average American High School.

[Grammatron]

Me either. I do know though that it requires more than an American High School Exam to gain admittance to most universities in Europe. I know this first hand as I had to take International Baccalaureate (IB) courses in my last two years in high school in the Philipines, in order to be eligible for entrance to a Danish university.

I just have one question: what is American High School Exam?

The diploma you get when you graduate from an average American High School.

Oh in that case it's not enough to have a HS diploma to get into a University.

[Nyarlathotep]

Merely having a diploma won't get you into most American Universities either. You usually have to have good grades and for the really good schools, have a lot of extra-curricular activities on top of that too.

[DanishDynamite]

Sorry, missed your post.

I don't have any hard data so I don't really know what percentage of Europeans believe what. I have heard a similar thing about a large number of Europeans believing that the CIA intentionally blew up the twin towers, and on a similar note, I seem to recall hearing that a book theorizing that the pentagon was taken out by such a device and not a plane was a best seller in France, but I chalked that up to the atmosphere toward France and Germany in the days leading up to the Iraq war and have no idea as to the relative truth or falsity of these claims .

I've heard about the bestseller book as well. I believe it was by a French author and was a bestseller in France for a while. My question is simply: So what?

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Europe wasn't at least SOMEWHAT ahead of us in the critical thinking area, though I may differ with DD as to whether the fact that religion is less prominent over there is cause or effect (I say may because he has not said one way or the other, and I can only infer).

Has this topic even come up yet? It is certainly an interesting topic, but it requires a fair amount of hard statistical data to be engaged in further.

Simply put, a large number of Americans choose to turn off their brains on one subject (religion) and then proceed to make that brain outage a major part of their lives. It then becomes sooooo much easier to turn their brains off about other things, sadly.

That could be my immediate take on it too. If one chooses to believe in assertions without reliable evidence in one area, one might believe unproved assertions in other areas.

Alas, we would need more statistical data to make such a case.

[DanishDynamite]

Merely having a diploma won't get you into most American Universities either. You usually have to have good grades and for the really good schools, have a lot of extra-curricular activities on top of that too.

OK.

But for the European universities, it makes no difference what your grades were. If the exam/diploma was just a standard High School diploma, it was no good.

[Edited to add: And extracurricullar activities have no influence]

[Nyarlathotep]

Sorry, missed your post.

I don't have any hard data so I don't really know what percentage of Europeans believe what. I have heard a similar thing about a large number of Europeans believing that the CIA intentionally blew up the twin towers, and on a similar note, I seem to recall hearing that a book theorizing that the pentagon was taken out by such a device and not a plane was a best seller in France, but I chalked that up to the atmosphere toward France and Germany in the days leading up to the Iraq war and have no idea as to the relative truth or falsity of these claims .

I've heard about the bestseller book as well. I believe it was by a French author and was a bestseller in France for a while. My question is simply: So what?

Simply put, since the subject of whether Europeans are less woo-woo in general came up, it goes to whether they are in fact less woo-woo or just woo-woo about different things.

[Nyarlathotep]

Merely having a diploma won't get you into most American Universities either. You usually have to have good grades and for the really good schools, have a lot of extra-curricular activities on top of that too.

OK.

But for the European universities, it makes no difference what your grades were. If the exam/diploma was just a standard High School diploma, it was no good.

[Edited to add: And extracurricullar activities have no influence]

I am not sure I understand you here. are you saying that an American cannot get into a European university, regardless of grades? Or are you saying that if European passes high school, that is sufficient to get him into any European university, regardless of grades? or both? Or neither?

Oh, and I don't think extra-curricullar activities should influence it either but they do. And that makes it a bit harder because the kid ahs to be able to pull good grades, all the while participating in these extra things.

[DanishDynamite]

Sorry, missed your post.

I don't have any hard data so I don't really know what percentage of Europeans believe what. I have heard a similar thing about a large number of Europeans believing that the CIA intentionally blew up the twin towers, and on a similar note, I seem to recall hearing that a book theorizing that the pentagon was taken out by such a device and not a plane was a best seller in France, but I chalked that up to the atmosphere toward France and Germany in the days leading up to the Iraq war and have no idea as to the relative truth or falsity of these claims .

I've heard about the bestseller book as well. I believe it was by a French author and was a bestseller in France for a while. My question is simply: So what?

Simply put, since the subject of whether Europeans are less woo-woo in general came up, it goes to whether they are in fact less woo-woo or just woo-woo about different things.

Sorry, but I don't see how?

[Grammatron]

Merely having a diploma won't get you into most American Universities either. You usually have to have good grades and for the really good schools, have a lot of extra-curricular activities on top of that too.

Good grades are not enough, extra-curricular activities help but you also need good SAT scores.

Also if your family is wealthy a good donation doesn't hurt if you aiming for a private University.

[DanishDynamite]

Merely having a diploma won't get you into most American Universities either. You usually have to have good grades and for the really good schools, have a lot of extra-curricular activities on top of that too.

OK.

But for the European universities, it makes no difference what your grades were. If the exam/diploma was just a standard High School diploma, it was no good.

[Edited to add: And extracurricullar activities have no influence]

I am not sure I understand you here. are you saying that an American cannot get into a European university, regardless of grades? Or are you saying that if European passes high school, that is sufficient to get him into any European university, regardless of grades? or both? Or neither?

I'm saying that at the time I was in High School (almost 20 years ago I'm afraid) graduating like many others from my school with the High School diploma, would be worthless if I wanted to get into a European university. My grades or my extracurricular activities would make no difference at all.

Oh, and I don't think extra-curricullar activities should influence it either but they do. And that makes it a bit harder because the kid ahs to be able to pull good grades, all the while participating in these extra things.

Yes, this is my understanding of how it works in the US as well. Being good at basketball or some other sport can get you into a university even with little understanding of what you were tought in class.

[Nyarlathotep]

Sorry, missed your post.

I don't have any hard data so I don't really know what percentage of Europeans believe what. I have heard a similar thing about a large number of Europeans believing that the CIA intentionally blew up the twin towers, and on a similar note, I seem to recall hearing that a book theorizing that the pentagon was taken out by such a device and not a plane was a best seller in France, but I chalked that up to the atmosphere toward France and Germany in the days leading up to the Iraq war and have no idea as to the relative truth or falsity of these claims .

I've heard about the bestseller book as well. I believe it was by a French author and was a bestseller in France for a while. My question is simply: So what?

Simply put, since the subject of whether Europeans are less woo-woo in general came up, it goes to whether they are in fact less woo-woo or just woo-woo about different things.

Sorry, but I don't see how?

Well, that kind of theory over here is generally regarded as the domain of the tin-foil hat crowd and the occasional guy named Cletus with three teeth.

By itself, I will fully admit it proves nothing. If one could show a pattern that Europeans tend to beleive much more in politcal conspiracy theories, even though they are much less religion, I think one could make a case that they aren't less woo-woo, they just shift their woo-woo tendencies more to the politcal arena than the religious one.

Is that the case? I don't honestly know at this point.

[Grammatron]

Yes, this is my understanding of how it works in the US as well. Being good at basketball or some other sport can get you into a university even with little understanding of what you were tought in class.

So is being a good musician, or being good in whatever other field you want to pursue in the University.

[DanishDynamite]

Merely having a diploma won't get you into most American Universities either. You usually have to have good grades and for the really good schools, have a lot of extra-curricular activities on top of that too.

Good grades are not enough, extra-curricular activities help but you also need good SAT scores.

Also if your family is wealthy a good donation doesn't hurt if you aiming for a private University.

This highlights the differences. In Denmark you could be the son of the wealthiest billionaire and it would make no difference to whether you were accepted in a university. Your parents couldn't even make a donation.

[Grammatron]

Merely having a diploma won't get you into most American Universities either. You usually have to have good grades and for the really good schools, have a lot of extra-curricular activities on top of that too.

Good grades are not enough, extra-curricular activities help but you also need good SAT scores.

Also if your family is wealthy a good donation doesn't hurt if you aiming for a private University.

This highlights the differences. In Denmark you could be the son of the wealthiest billionaire and it would make no difference to whether you were accepted in a university. Your parents couldn't even make a donation.

Is it true for all of Europe? Somehow I doubt it. Money's money no matter what part of the globe you're in.

[DanishDynamite]

Sorry, missed your post.

I don't have any hard data so I don't really know what percentage of Europeans believe what. I have heard a similar thing about a large number of Europeans believing that the CIA intentionally blew up the twin towers, and on a similar note, I seem to recall hearing that a book theorizing that the pentagon was taken out by such a device and not a plane was a best seller in France, but I chalked that up to the atmosphere toward France and Germany in the days leading up to the Iraq war and have no idea as to the relative truth or falsity of these claims .

I've heard about the bestseller book as well. I believe it was by a French author and was a bestseller in France for a while. My question is simply: So what?

Simply put, since the subject of whether Europeans are less woo-woo in general came up, it goes to whether they are in fact less woo-woo or just woo-woo about different things.

Sorry, but I don't see how?

Well, that kind of theory over here is generally regarded as the domain of the tin-foil hat crowd and the occasional guy named Cletus with three teeth.

By itself, I will fully admit it proves nothing. If one could show a pattern that Europeans tend to beleive much more in politcal conspiracy theories, even though they are much less religion, I think one could make a case that they aren't less woo-woo, they just shift their woo-woo tendencies more to the politcal arena than the religious one.

Is that the case? I don't honestly know at this point.

Here's my point: Suppose a book was released in the US during the height of the "freedom fries" hilarity with the title:

"How the French trained the 9/11 attackers and sold nuclear missiles to Iraq: The inside truth from an insider."

Do you think it might have sold a few books?

[DanishDynamite]

Yes, this is my understanding of how it works in the US as well. Being good at basketball or some other sport can get you into a university even with little understanding of what you were tought in class.

So is being a good musician, or being good in whatever other field you want to pursue in the University.

In this country musicians and basketball players aren't trained in a university. A university is for the training of the mind.

[Grammatron]

Here's my point: Suppose a book was released in the US during the height of the "freedom fries" hilarity with the title:

"How the French trained the 9/11 attackers and sold nuclear missiles to Iraq: The inside truth from an insider."

Do you think it might have sold a few books?

I know it would have sold "few" books, I doubt it would be on the best sellers list.

[Grammatron]

Yes, this is my understanding of how it works in the US as well. Being good at basketball or some other sport can get you into a university even with little understanding of what you were tought in class.

So is being a good musician, or being good in whatever other field you want to pursue in the University.

In this country musicians and basketball players aren't trained in a university. A university is for the training of the mind.

Can you post a curriculum from a Danish university please?

[DanishDynamite]

Here's my point: Suppose a book was released in the US during the height of the "freedom fries" hilarity with the title:

"How the French trained the 9/11 attackers and sold nuclear missiles to Iraq: The inside truth from an insider."

Do you think it might have sold a few books?

I know it would have sold "few" books, I doubt it would be on the best sellers list.

Whatever.

Arguing that a book sold well (if I recall, it was 400,000 copies in a country of over 50,000,000) makes no case of anything. I'm sure the books on Lady Diana's lifestory or affair sold a lot as well. So what?

[Grammatron]

Here's my point: Suppose a book was released in the US during the height of the "freedom fries" hilarity with the title:

"How the French trained the 9/11 attackers and sold nuclear missiles to Iraq: The inside truth from an insider."

Do you think it might have sold a few books?

I know it would have sold "few" books, I doubt it would be on the best sellers list.

Whatever.

Arguing that a book sold well (if I recall, it was 400,000 copies in a country of over 50,000,000) makes no case of anything. I'm sure the books on Lady Diana's lifestory or affair sold a lot as well. So what?

What do you mean so what, that was the whole point about what kind of "woo-woo" Europians believe.

[DanishDynamite]

Yes, this is my understanding of how it works in the US as well. Being good at basketball or some other sport can get you into a university even with little understanding of what you were tought in class.

So is being a good musician, or being good in whatever other field you want to pursue in the University.

In this country musicians and basketball players aren't trained in a university. A university is for the training of the mind.

Can you post a curriculum from a Danish university please?

That's a toughy. You mean which courses are offered? In English?

[Grammatron]

Yes, this is my understanding of how it works in the US as well. Being good at basketball or some other sport can get you into a university even with little understanding of what you were tought in class.

So is being a good musician, or being good in whatever other field you want to pursue in the University.

In this country musicians and basketball players aren't trained in a university. A university is for the training of the mind.

Can you post a curriculum from a Danish university please?

That's a toughy. You mean which courses are offered? In English?

Yes if you can, I'm just curious to see how right you are

Also, what does "Gymnasiepædagogik" mean?

[DanishDynamite]

Here's my point: Suppose a book was released in the US during the height of the "freedom fries" hilarity with the title:

"How the French trained the 9/11 attackers and sold nuclear missiles to Iraq: The inside truth from an insider."

Do you think it might have sold a few books?

I know it would have sold "few" books, I doubt it would be on the best sellers list.

Whatever.

Arguing that a book sold well (if I recall, it was 400,000 copies in a country of over 50,000,000) makes no case of anything. I'm sure the books on Lady Diana's lifestory or affair sold a lot as well. So what?

What do you mean so what, that was the whole point about what kind of "woo-woo" Europians believe.

You'll need to elaborate. In what sense does a bestseller reflect on the general woo-wooness of a population?

[Grammatron]

You'll need to elaborate. In what sense does a bestseller reflect on the general woo-wooness of a population?

I think woo-woo is measured in how much money people are being duped out of. It's one of the ways to measure it anyway.

[DanishDynamite]

Yes, this is my understanding of how it works in the US as well. Being good at basketball or some other sport can get you into a university even with little understanding of what you were tought in class.

So is being a good musician, or being good in whatever other field you want to pursue in the University.

In this country musicians and basketball players aren't trained in a university. A university is for the training of the mind.

Can you post a curriculum from a Danish university please?

That's a toughy. You mean which courses are offered? In English?

Yes if you can, I'm just curious to see how right you are

Also, what does "Gymnasiepædagogik" mean?

"Gymnasiepædagogik" means "high school teaching abilities" as best as I can translate.

I'm having a hard time finding the curriculums in english.

My place of instruction has this page (in Danish):

http://www.studievalg.dtu.dk/civilingenioer

Somewhere near the bottom it mentions the Bachalor degrees you can acquire. I'll attempt to translate:

Bioteknologi: Biotechnology
Byggeteknologi: Building technology
Elektroteknologi: Electrotechnology
Fysik og Nanoteknologi: Physics and nanotechnology
Kemi og Teknologi: Chemistry and Technology
Kommunikationsteknologi: Communications technology
Matematik og Teknologi: Mathematics and technology
Miljøteknologi: Environmental technology
Produktion og Konstruktion: Production and Construction
Softwareteknologi: Software technology
Design og Innovation: Same
Medicin og Teknologi: Medicine and technology

[DanishDynamite]

You'll need to elaborate. In what sense does a bestseller reflect on the general woo-wooness of a population?

I think woo-woo is measured in how much money people are being duped out of. It's one of the ways to measure it anyway.

I suppose this could be a measure. Only problem is defining "duped".

BTW, if this is your definition, could you kindly provide some relevant links discussing this subject? And what does bestsellers have to do with this? Surely the income from a bestseller is unmeasurably small when compared to the total income generated by the dupes and handed over to the dupers?

[Doctor X]

I know it would have sold "few" books, I doubt it would be on the best sellers list.

It would be linked on Bill O'Reilly's webpage. . . .

Anyways, my experience is only with English and Irish--and Scottish universities. In general, Brits are about a year more specialized than Americans. Brits go to a university to "read" a degree--they apply to a "major" whereas Americans tend to go to a university, study for a year or two then "declare" a major. Sure, many Americans "know" what they want to do.

It is very hard to "switch" in a British university--if not almost impossible. This is common in American universities.

British universities use to look at "Dean" letters from your "high school," extra curriculars and then make an offer based on what was then called your "A levels" which are like the Advance Placement tests in the US. A budding physicist would, obviously, take A levels in the appropriate areas, and not "Theories of Full-Contact Basket Weaving."

The British university "likes" you based on the offer--at least that is how it was in the past. So, if the faculty wants you they may offer something like "two Bs and a C" meaning this is the minimum you need to get in. I had heard of cases where a university REALLY did not want the guy so offered something like "all As" on a lot of A levels . . . only to have the guy get it! I believe the faculty was forced to take him. This may be Brit student "urban myth."

How does that work for Continental European universities? How the fuck should I know?! I just noticed Danish-Dynamite bitching about how "no one replies to his interesting threads." What is it about these Danes, anyways? Is it because most Americans thing of something you eat rather than a hairy guy rogering a goat?

--J.D.

[Grammatron]

You'll need to elaborate. In what sense does a bestseller reflect on the general woo-wooness of a population?

I think woo-woo is measured in how much money people are being duped out of. It's one of the ways to measure it anyway.

I suppose this could be a measure. Only problem is defining "duped".

BTW, if this is your definition, could you kindly provide some relevant links discussing this subject? And what does bestsellers have to do with this? Surely the income from a bestseller is unmeasurably small when compared to the total income generated by the dupes and handed over to the dupers?

Well look how many people went to see Moore's film, just goes to show you Americans are willing to spend money on that crapolla.

I don't understand yout last question.

[DanishDynamite]

I know it would have sold "few" books, I doubt it would be on the best sellers list.

It would be linked on Bill O'Reilly's webpage. . . .

Anyways, my experience is only with English and Irish--and Scottish universities. In general, Brits are about a year more specialized than Americans. Brits go to a university to "read" a degree--they apply to a "major" whereas Americans tend to go to a university, study for a year or two then "declare" a major. Sure, many Americans "know" what they want to do.

It is very hard to "switch" in a British university--if not almost impossible. This is common in American universities.

British universities use to look at "Dean" letters from your "high school," extra curriculars and then make an offer based on what was then called your "A levels" which are like the Advance Placement tests in the US. A budding physicist would, obviously, take A levels in the appropriate areas, and not "Theories of Full-Contact Basket Weaving."

The British university "likes" you based on the offer--at least that is how it was in the past. So, if the faculty wants you they may offer something like "two Bs and a C" meaning this is the minimum you need to get in. I had heard of cases where a university REALLY did not want the guy so offered something like "all As" on a lot of A levels . . . only to have the guy get it! I believe the faculty was forced to take him. This may be Brit student "urban myth."

You lost me. A university offered a student all A's, and everyone was surprised when the student came on board? I guess I don't understand what you mean.

I just noticed Danish-Dynamite bitching about how "no one replies to his interesting threads." What is it about these Danes, anyways? Is it because most Americans thing of something you eat rather than a hairy guy rogering a goat?

Sorry for trying to generate a bit of intellectual stimulation. I realize this is outside your area of experience.

So, how about them Celtics?

[Doctor X]

Well look how many people went to see Moore's film, just goes to show you Americans are willing to spend money on that crapolla.

To be fair, the SwiftBoatsVets book rose to number one on Amazon during the first day.

People like controversy. I think this is the same throughout the world.

Okay . . . they do not like controversy in Belize. . . .

--J.D.

[DanishDynamite]

You'll need to elaborate. In what sense does a bestseller reflect on the general woo-wooness of a population?

I think woo-woo is measured in how much money people are being duped out of. It's one of the ways to measure it anyway.

I suppose this could be a measure. Only problem is defining "duped".

BTW, if this is your definition, could you kindly provide some relevant links discussing this subject? And what does bestsellers have to do with this? Surely the income from a bestseller is unmeasurably small when compared to the total income generated by the dupes and handed over to the dupers?

Well look how many people went to see Moore's film, just goes to show you Americans are willing to spend money on that crapolla.

Which highlights my question on how to determine the definition of "duped".

I don't understand yout last question.

You claim that the French bestseller status of a book on some conspiracy theory concerning Americans behind 9/11 shows evidence of woo-wooness in the French.

Yet you also said that woo-wooness could be measured by how much money the dupes hand over to the dupers. It seems to me that not onlky is the definition of "duped" (and its relation to woo-woo) unclear, but the income generated by the sale of this book is miniscule compared to the total income of dupers in France.

[Doctor X]

You lost me. A university offered a student all A's, and everyone was surprised when the student came on board? I guess I don't understand what you mean.

If the story is "true"--and not a student urban legend--the idea is that no one expected said student to get As on all of his A-Level exams. They changed the name of A levels to something I have forgotten.

Sorry for trying to generate a bit of intellectual stimulation.

No. Some sins are unforgiveable.

So, how about them Celtics? [Smile]

What?! HEY! SCREW YOU!! HIPPY!!

Anyways, I always wondered why the team was pronounced "Seltics." All over, "celtic" is "keltic."

However, I had a "Celtics" t-shirt in England and someone asked if it refered to the Glasgow "Seltics"--his pronounciation.

How about them Patriots?

--J.D.

[Grammatron]

How about them Patriots?

--J.D.

Screw them and let's get back to the topic of how wrong Danish is.

[Doctor X]

Anyways regarding the dispute between Grammatron and PastryExplosive, I reiterate that there is a fair amount of "WooWooism" everywhere.

Whilst Americans buy books on angels, political conspiracies from both sides, and has a "Discovery Channel" that discusses the "true" predictions of Nostradamus, the French have their own problems--such as electing openly fascists.

At least we voted against Pat Buchanan . . . unless you were a democrat in Florida and unable to handle such convoluted tasks as determining the difference between "Gore" and "Buchanan. . . ."

Some of it is merely providing "evidences" for a preconceived notion. Those who want to believe in a religion eat up angel books and pap like that. French looking for a conspiracy ate that up.

Different situations, but similar problems.

I "think" immigration is becoming a bigger problem in Europe, for example because of:

1. Smaller size of countries--easier for those Meskin's to hide here [Stop that!--Ed.]

2. Traditionally homogenous people--immigrants seem very different.

this drives the anti-immigration in Europe more, I think, than here in the US.

--J.D.

[DanishDynamite]

How about them Patriots?

--J.D.

Screw them and let's get back to the topic of how wrong Danish is.

[Doctor X]

Screw them and let's get back to the topic of how wrong Danish is.

Do not be bitter that you lost their team . . . that then won superbowls in St. Louis . . . only to be crushed by the Patriots. . . .

Besides, discussing why Danish is wrong is just not challenging.

--J.D.

[DanishDynamite]

You lost me. A university offered a student all A's, and everyone was surprised when the student came on board? I guess I don't understand what you mean.

If the story is "true"--and not a student urban legend--the idea is that no one expected said student to get As on all of his A-Level exams. They changed the name of A levels to something I have forgotten.

OK. I think I'm beginning to understand.

When you say a university "offered" certain grades, you mean they required certain grades. Am I right so far?

I'm don't understand how a university could do so, though. I thought they just took in the top of the crop for a given year.

Sorry for trying to generate a bit of intellectual stimulation.

No. Some sins are unforgiveable.

Priceless.

So, how about them Celtics? [Smile]

What?! HEY! SCREW YOU!! HIPPY!!

Anyways, I always wondered why the team was pronounced "Seltics." All over, "celtic" is "keltic."

However, I had a "Celtics" t-shirt in England and someone asked if it refered to the Glasgow "Seltics"--his pronounciation.

How about them Patriots?

--J.D.

My only knowledge of the "Celtics" is via American TV shows. I'm afraid I have no idea of how they should be properly pronounced.

In regard to the Patriots, I'm glad you broched that question. Seriously, those misiles really suck. Just look at their record when deployed in Israel.

[:))

[DanishDynamite]

Anyways regarding the dispute between Grammatron and PastryExplosive, I reiterate that there is a fair amount of "WooWooism" everywhere.

Whilst Americans buy books on angels, political conspiracies from both sides, and has a "Discovery Channel" that discusses the "true" predictions of Nostradamus, the French have their own problems--such as electing openly fascists.

How does voting for a facist make you a woo-woo?

At least we voted against Pat Buchanan . . . unless you were a democrat in Florida and unable to handle such convoluted tasks as determining the difference between "Gore" and "Buchanan. . . ."

Some of it is merely providing "evidences" for a preconceived notion. Those who want to believe in a religion eat up angel books and pap like that. French looking for a conspiracy ate that up.

Different situations, but similar problems.

Different things indeed, and not related to woo-wooism as far as I can see.

(Sorry for being serious when I know you weren't. )

I "think" immigration is becoming a bigger problem in Europe, for example because of:

1. Smaller size of countries--easier for those Meskin's to hide here [Stop that!--Ed.]

2. Traditionally homogenous people--immigrants seem very different.

this drives the anti-immigration in Europe more, I think, than here in the US.

We agree.

Pretty scary if you ask me.

[DanishDynamite]

Besides, discussing why Danish is wrong is just not challenging.

--J.D.

If only the track record would agree.