If you believe evolution, you're GAY!

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If you believe evolution, you're GAY!

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According to this web site, anyway.

I love the diagram:

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The way I interpret the diagram, if you aren't married, you must be gay.
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Luke T. wrote:The way I interpret the diagram, if you aren't married, you must be gay.
Christ. I was gay for 34 years and never even knew it!
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:roll:

There's a whole thread (albeit on another site) that pokes fun and even refutes that stuff. The post I've linked to is especially good.

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Reminds me of my favorite argument against giving women the vote:

Look what happened!!

Depression
Prohibition
WWII
Korea
Vietnam
Herpes
AIDS
WWF
Friends. . . .

I love fallacious arguments!!

Anyways, they are so "gay conscious" perhaps they would like to explain David and Jonathan. . . .

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Doctor X wrote:Reminds me of my favorite argument against giving women the vote:

Look what happened!!

Depression
Prohibition
WWII
Korea
Vietnam
Herpes
AIDS
WWF
Friends. . . .

I love fallacious arguments!!

Anyways, they are so "gay conscious" perhaps they would like to explain David and Jonathan. . . .

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Doctor X wrote: Anyways, they are so "gay conscious" perhaps they would like to explain David and Jonathan. . .
Well David said he loved Jonathan "more than a woman" when he was young, but that may have just been flattery not buggery.

David's subsequent history indicates that he was quite heterosexual.

Don't forget that Jonathan was the eldest son of the legitimate king, and David was a usurper.

Also David bought King Saul's daughter Michal for a wife.

And David loved his old friend Jonathan so much that after Jonathan died, David had all of Jonathan's children killed. No nonsense about succession.

The notion that David was gay is modern gay nonsense, but the refutation is hardly pious.
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Doctor X wrote:Reminds me of my favorite argument against giving women the vote:

Look what happened!!

Depression
Prohibition
WWII
Korea
Vietnam
Herpes
AIDS
WWF
Friends. . . .

I love fallacious arguments!!
OK post hoc ergo propter hoc is a fallacy.

But there is definite connection between votes for women and Prohibition. Both causes were part of the same political movement. Carrie Nation and all that.

And it was Prohibition that made it possible for the Mafia to become rich and powerful.

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Abdul Alhazred:

Just as a coincidence, I just had to educate a lad that "Abdul Alhazed" was a creation of H. P. Lovecraft. . . .
The notion that David was gay is modern gay nonsense, but the refutation is hardly pious.
Actually not. You have to remember that "gay" was not as "gay" as it is "gay" today. Having a male lover and a female lover/wife were not odd things in ancient times. Scholarship notes that it may explain a bit more of the tension between Saul and David.

Furthermore, the Leviticus prohibitions do not prohibit homosexuality, but a "position."

Granted, "traditional" religious theologians have a problem with homosexual characters, but they are just gay anyways. . . .

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Doctor X wrote: ... You have to remember that "gay" was not as "gay" as it is "gay" today. Having a male lover and a female lover/wife were not odd things in ancient times. Scholarship notes that it may explain a bit more of the tension between Saul and David.

Furthermore, the Leviticus prohibitions do not prohibit homosexuality, but a "position."
I know all that, I'm just not convinced about David.

David was after usurping the throne of Israel. It was all politics.

BTW, I consider David a villain.
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I am not "100%" either since these are all just stories. No one can say whether or not these are "traditions" or just background material. Perhaps one can get some idea by comparing the treatment of the Deuteronomistic History [Kings, Samuel--Ed.] with what the Chronicler does with the DH in rewriting it.

Regarding the "villanous" behavior of David and others, I think the most likely explanation is to explain "why" other countries squished them. "They did not walk in the way of YHWH, the fucks!" Remember, the "history" is mythic--no Solomonic or Davidic "empires"--heck, no Exodus either.

"Other Empires" get to pillage, rape, and maim. They also incorporate other countries deities. This is the type of mythic history the writers wanted. The "ban" or hrm [Sacrifice of a people to your deity.--Ed.] seems "horrible" to us--"Go squisheth all of the Amelekites . . . including their puppies!!" However, it appears to be more wishful thinking--like proudly declaring your ancestors "kicked ass" in a war 200+ years ago.

So . . . given that, why is David and Jonathan's relationship "special?" I would have to review it, but I think David has the dominant position. That, in and of itself would piss of a Saul character. Whether it is "real" or metaphorical does not seem to concern the writers--or their audience presummably.

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