## Televangelists explain why they need another private jet

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### Televangelists explain why they need another private jet

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Saw this on reddit. Good for a laugh until you remember that this actually works.

I mean, you can't expect these holy men to get into a tube full of demons, can you?
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### Re: Televangelists explain why they need another private jet

Comforting to know that God can take time to converse with wealthy TV preachers about their largesse while the world totters toward armageddon.
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Pyrrho wrote:Comforting to know that God can take time to converse with wealthy TV preachers about their largesse while the world totters toward armageddon.
What else are they going to talk about?
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Pyrrho wrote:Comforting to know that God can take time to converse with wealthy TV preachers about their largesse while the world totters toward armageddon.
Let's face it: Many people are just too fucking stupid to vote. Those are the people who are putting the ones in charge of public policy and science funding. Fuck......
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### Re: Televangelists explain why they need another private jet

I watched & listened with growing disbelief!
Godless Commie Matthew wrote:And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

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Witness wrote:I watched & listened with growing disbelief!
Godless Commie Matthew wrote:And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
IIRC there are some interesting apologetics around that particular passage for the "prosperity Gospel" preachers (which these particular televangelists are).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_a_needle
The "Eye of the Needle" has been claimed to be a gate in Jerusalem, which opened after the main gate was closed at night. A camel could only pass through this smaller gate if it was stooped and had its baggage removed. This story has been put forth since at least the 15th century, and possibly as far back as the 9th century. However, there is no widely accepted evidence for the existence of such a gate.[4][5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian ... and_wealth

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In the video we never get to hear Amos 6:1.

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Woe to them that are at ease in Zion, and trust in the mountain of Samaria, which are named chief of the nations, to whom the house of Israel came!
Then he conflates the word "woe" with "whoa", provides his own translation of the verse, and literally thumps the Bible. The whole thing ends with a commercial for the DVDs. The whole thing is a commercial for the DVDs.

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### Re: Televangelists explain why they need another private jet

Justifications for wealth are not new at all, but the heresy of "prosperity gospel" would be incomprehensible (not just rejected) before modern times.

The appeal of Christianity was largely predicated on having a satisfying explanation for the default earthly wretchedness.
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Damnit. He stole my kickstarter.

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Every Joe Schmoe wealthy evangelist has a private jet.

I think God wants me to have one of these.

http://www.bornrich.com/for-billionaire ... rines.html

I'd paint mine yellow because I am so cool.

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The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.

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Celebrity Homes wrote: Kenneth Copeland's 18,000+ Sq. Foot Lake House on Eagle Mountain Lake - Includes Airport!

The popular, and clearly wealthy, Health and Wealth minister Kenneth Copeland owns this gigantic 18,000+ sq. foot lake house on Eagle Mountain Lake in Newark, Texas, just north of Fort Worth. The huge estate includes the main home and Kenneth Copeland Airport, a private aviation center run by Kenneth Copeland Ministries. The 25 acre estate is located at 6000 Indian Creek Road in Newark and is named under the Eagle Mountain International Church Inc. The main home includes 18,280 sq. feet of living space, 6 car garage, various balconies, tennis court, circle driveway, boat docking station built for multiple boats, and much more. The HQ of the Kenneth Copeland Ministries was built in 1986 just north of the mansion and airport. I think its fair to say Copeland owns much of the property north of Eagle Mountain Lake! The appraised value of the home for 2011 is $6,170,400. http://infocelebrityhomes.blogspot.ch/2 ... -lake.html Rob Lister Posts: 21450 Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:15 pm Title: Incipient toppler Location: Swimming in Lake Ed ### Re: Televangelists explain why they need another private jet Abdul Alhazred Posts: 79596 Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:33 pm Title: Yes, that one. Location: Chicago ### Re: Televangelists explain why they need another private jet Pyrrho wrote:No different from Sweet Daddy Grace's Cadillacs. IIRC, Daddy Grace claimed to be God Almighty. Or was that Father Divine? Or both? Later I may see if I can't hunt up a pic of Father Divine's Duesenberg. Way cooler than any pimped out Caddy. The arc of the moral universe bends towards chaos. People who believe God or History are on their side provide the chaos. Anaxagoras Posts: 25793 Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:45 am Location: Yokohama/Tokyo, Japan ### Re: Televangelists explain why they need another private jet How come I never heard of this lady? Reminds me of Tammy Faye Bakker: Goodbye to the Queen of Jesus TV, Jan Crouch Jan “Momma” Crouch, the 78-year-old founder and Vice President of Trinity Broadcasting Network, died after a massive stroke this week, two years following the death of her husband and co-founder, Paul Crouch. Beyond her garish pink wigs and eye makeup so heavy that blinking seemed a feat, Crouch will, one hopes, be remembered for the oft-told story of the time she raised a chicken from the dead. As the tale goes, the daughter of a Georgia Assemblies of God preacher who went on to help found the world’s most successful televangelism television network was just a girl when her beloved pet chicken was hit by a car. Its feet were twisted and its head was bent. And horrifyingly, (this is where Jan Crouch’s tears reliably begin to fall and coat her layered lashes, nearly blinding the woman) its eye had popped out from the trauma and was hanging limply from its socket. The chicken was dead. But the 12-year-old girl, then Janice Bethany, would not be burying any fowl that day. She stood over her chicken and prayed. And lo and behold, the Lord heard her prayer and the chicken was resurrected. The Crouches were part of a swell of colorful Christian fundamentalists that moved their ministries out of the traditional church and onto the nation’s televisions in the 1980’s. Alongside Pat Robertson, Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart and Oral Roberts, Momma and Papa Crouch, as they were known, bestowed upon eager audiences their God-given Charismatic gifts: performing on-air miracles and healing the sick, interpreting God’s word and always, always, asking for money, for their mission: “to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the world.” The network is still around after 43 years. If fact, the TBN reach has spread to 22 countries and now beams into 100 million households. The Crouches each earned an over-$400,000 annual salary for their work and an off-the-books extravagant lifestyle all paid for by semi-annual pledge drives called Praise-a-thons, and nearly constant pleas for donations as a show of faith—calls that the mostly southern, low-income TBN viewers have heeded in droves.
Why so many poor people would send their money to people such as these is still a bit of a mystery to me.
But maybe it helps to explain why Donald Trump is so popular with the same sort of people.
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### Re: Televangelists explain why they need another private jet

Good God.

A sane person might be inclined to throw a brick through the screen. But, no, stupid people gave her money, and lots of it, for that act.

Reminds me of...

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Abdul Alhazred wrote:
IIRC, Daddy Grace claimed to be God Almighty.
Or was that Father Divine? Or both?

Later I may see if I can't hunt up a pic of Father Divine's Duesenberg.
Way cooler than any pimped out Caddy.
http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/ ... rg-Model-J

All I gotta say is, if I were God Almighty, that's what I'd drive.
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Witness wrote:I watched & listened with growing disbelief!
Godless Commie Matthew wrote:And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Robert Ingersoll wrote:In the old times when the church got a little scarce of money, they always put in a passage praising poverty. So they had this young man ask: "What lack I yet? And Jesus said unto him: If thou wilt be perfect, go, and sell that thou hast and give to, the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven."

The church has always been willing to swap off treasures in heaven for cash down. And when the next verse was written the church must have been nearly bankrupt. "And again I say unto you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." Did you ever know a wealthy disciple to unload on account of that verse?
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↑ It's also the old Christian refrain "suffering is good for the soul".

See the misery?