Existence of spirits! do not know ..

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Existence of spirits! do not know ..

Post by Flacus » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:28 pm

Are there spirits?

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Post by shemp » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:33 am

Yes, at your nearest liquor store.
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Post by Witness » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:35 am

Where's Abdul?

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Post by shemp » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:36 am

I just pm'd him. He'll be around shortly.
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:38 am

Just got the N00B alert. Official welcome follows second post, if any.
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Flacus wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:28 pm
Are there spirits?
Maybe.

Could you explain in more detail what are spirits?
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Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:53 am

Flacus wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:28 pm
Are there spirits?
Other than the spirits Shemp alluded to, I would say the short answer is no.

A slightly longer answer is that there has never been any good evidence that stood up to scrutiny for ghosts, spirits, or souls.
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Post by Flacus » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:13 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:38 am
Just got the N00B alert. Official welcome follows second post, if any.
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Flacus wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:28 pm
Are there spirits?
Maybe.

Could you explain in more detail what are spirits?
Spirit is our soul that survives after our death! When you die you will be a spirit. understood ?


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Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:31 am

Flacus wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:13 am
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:38 am
Just got the N00B alert. Official welcome follows second post, if any.
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Flacus wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:28 pm
Are there spirits?
Maybe.

Could you explain in more detail what are spirits?
Spirit is our soul that survives after our death! When you die you will be a spirit. understood ?

No, that movie is fictional.

Any other questions?
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Post by ed » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:31 am

Why do you believe that? Seriously, have you seen one?
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:57 pm

Flacus wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:13 am
Spirit is our soul that survives after our death! When you die you will be a spirit. understood ?
A N00b. Finally a Real-o True-lo to shake things up around here.
How did you find this place?

First order of business. N00b welcoming ceremony. :)

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And now to real business.

If "spirits" means disembodied dead people, there are no spirits.

Even the Bible says so. Ecclesiates 9:5.
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
And when you think about it, the story of the witch of Endor (1 Samual 28) makes more sense in the historical political context of Saul's dynastic struggles if it is taken for granted that she is a charlatan.

Not that I'm a religious Bible believer, but it instructive that even in ancient times some pious people knew better than to believe in ghosts.


On the other hand people who aren't lying like the witch of Endor really do see sometimes see something that they think of as ghosts.
This is a phenomenon worth exploring.

But before we can get to that, you need to show some evidence that such apparitions really are disembodied dead people.
And a game of dueling movie clips won't settle the issue.

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Post by Flacus » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:22 pm

Are you from the United States? I'm from Brazil ! First I want to know what is the belief about spirits in your country?

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Post by Flacus » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:23 pm

What is the belief in your country about spirits?

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Post by Flacus » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:26 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:57 pm
Flacus wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:13 am
Spirit is our soul that survives after our death! When you die you will be a spirit. understood ?
A N00b. Finally a Real-o True-lo to shake things up around here.
How did you find this place?

First order of business. N00b welcoming ceremony. :)

Image
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And now to real business.

If "spirits" means disembodied dead people, there are no spirits.

Even the Bible says so. Ecclesiates 9:5.
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
And when you think about it, the story of the witch of Endor (1 Samual 28) makes more sense in the historical political context of Saul's dynastic struggles if it is taken for granted that she is a charlatan.

Not that I'm a religious Bible believer, but it instructive that even in ancient times some pious people knew better than to believe in ghosts.


On the other hand people who aren't lying like the witch of Endor really do see sometimes see something that they think of as ghosts.
This is a phenomenon worth exploring.

But before we can get to that, you need to show some evidence that such apparitions really are disembodied dead people.
And a game of dueling movie clips won't settle the issue.
can name a few books about the belief in spirits! a link to download these books!

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Post by Rob Lister » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:37 pm

Flacus wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:23 pm
What is the belief in your country about spirits?
Eu acho que você está nos trollando

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:03 pm

Flacus wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:22 pm
Are you from the United States? I'm from Brazil ! First I want to know what is the belief about spirits in your country?
From the USA.

It is my impression that most people believe in life after death, but a smaller proportion believe that spirits of the dead hang around living people.

There is also a common belief in spirits that are not dead people, such as angels and demons.

However the USA is seriously diverse when it comes to religious beliefs, so impossible to generalize.
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:08 pm

Rob Lister wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:37 pm
Flacus wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:23 pm
What is the belief in your country about spirits?
Eu acho que você está nos trollando
Oh please Rob. Who here does not?

I say benefit of the doubt time. 8)
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Post by Rob Lister » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:25 pm

No.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:27 pm

You do your thing, I'll do mine.

We get so few N00Bz now that they don't come here from JREF.
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Post by Rob Lister » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:40 pm

Your thing is creepy.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:13 pm

Don't scare off the N00B. :evil:
Image "If I turn in a sicko, will I get a reward?"

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The arc of the moral universe bends towards chaos.
People who believe God or History are on their side provide the chaos.