Existence of spirits! do not know ..

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Re: Existence of spirits! do not know ..

Post by Witness » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:16 pm

Flacus wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:13 pm
flacus is any name to use here ok!
OK.

Now how about some proof, not just "I feel the spirits"?

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Re: Existence of spirits! do not know ..

Post by ed » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:20 pm

Witness wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:10 pm
ed wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:45 pm
Question: What sort of name is Flatus?
Flacus, not Flatus. Flatus would be a wind or fart.

Flac(c)us was an old Roman family name, probably a nickname like "flappy eared". And there's flaccid in English.
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Re: Existence of spirits! do not know ..

Post by Flacus » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:21 pm

Witness wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:16 pm
Flacus wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:13 pm
flacus is any name to use here ok!
OK.

Now how about some proof, not just "I feel the spirits"?

my left shoulder ... as spirits approach begins to tremble ... is this not proof of the existence of spirits?

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Re: Existence of spirits! do not know ..

Post by Flacus » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:23 pm

Witness wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:16 pm
Flacus wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:13 pm
flacus is any name to use here ok!
OK.

Now how about some proof, not just "I feel the spirits"?
The spirits can interact with matter.

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Re: Existence of spirits! do not know ..

Post by ed » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:24 pm

Flacus wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:15 pm
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:56 pm
Flacus wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:44 pm
How about some definite evidence that the spirits of the dead can affect the living?
I'm seeing some singing and dancing in that video, but no evidence of activity from beyond the grave.

The dancers may well honestly believe they are being moved, but all I see are the moves.
did you watch the whole video? the girl begins to squirm ... writhing caused by spirits! watch the video carefully.
And this .... amazing surgery WITHOUT any anesthetic!!!!

Do you think spirits were involved? I think so!!
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Re: Existence of spirits! do not know ..

Post by Flacus » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:30 pm

ed wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:24 pm
Flacus wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:15 pm
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:56 pm
Flacus wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:44 pm
How about some definite evidence that the spirits of the dead can affect the living?
I'm seeing some singing and dancing in that video, but no evidence of activity from beyond the grave.

The dancers may well honestly believe they are being moved, but all I see are the moves.
did you watch the whole video? the girl begins to squirm ... writhing caused by spirits! watch the video carefully.
And this .... amazing surgery WITHOUT any anesthetic!!!!

Do you think spirits were involved? I think so!!
This is fraud! but you cannot generalize. Can't say it's all a lie!

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Re: Existence of spirits! do not know ..

Post by ed » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:33 pm

Is true. I know.
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Re: Existence of spirits! do not know ..

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:53 pm

Flacus wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:15 pm
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:56 pm
Flacus wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:44 pm
How about some definite evidence that the spirits of the dead can affect the living?
I'm seeing some singing and dancing in that video, but no evidence of activity from beyond the grave.

The dancers may well honestly believe they are being moved, but all I see are the moves.
did you watch the whole video? the girl begins to squirm ... writhing caused by spirits! watch the video carefully.
I see her writhing, and of course I cannot prove it's not caused by spirits, though I will point out that it is a move a woman can do on purpose very easily.

Where's the evidence that spirits are causing it?
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:55 pm

ed wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:33 pm
Is true. I know.
Oh stop it.

Didn't we discuss this years ago after Randi debunked it? :P
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Post by ed » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:56 pm

You forget who I am little person :x
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Re: Existence of spirits! do not know ..

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:56 pm

Flacus wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:13 pm
Witness wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:10 pm
ed wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:45 pm
Question: What sort of name is Flatus?
Flacus, not Flatus. Flatus would be a wind or fart.

Flac(c)us was an old Roman family name, probably a nickname like "flappy eared". And there's flaccid in English.

flacus is any name to use here ok!
It's an OK name.

Don't let these guys sidetrack you.
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Re: Existence of spirits! do not know ..

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:07 pm

Flacus wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:21 pm
my left shoulder ... as spirits approach begins to tremble ... is this not proof of the existence of spirits?
As far as it goes, you have convinced me that you really are experiencing something out of the ordinary.
I can't even completely rule out the possibility you are sensing something not otherwise visible (though I do not think so).

But trembling sensations do not prove that disembodied dead people are causing it.
And no reason to think so (unless you're inadvertently leaving out some details).
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Re: Existence of spirits! do not know ..

Post by Flacus » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:33 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:07 pm
Flacus wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:21 pm
my left shoulder ... as spirits approach begins to tremble ... is this not proof of the existence of spirits?
As far as it goes, you have convinced me that you really are experiencing something out of the ordinary.
I can't even completely rule out the possibility you are sensing something not otherwise visible (though I do not think so).

But trembling sensations do not prove that disembodied dead people are causing it.
And no reason to think so (unless you're inadvertently leaving out some details).
What about my chills and yawning or yawning?

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Re: Existence of spirits! do not know ..

Post by Flacus » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:34 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:07 pm
Flacus wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:21 pm
my left shoulder ... as spirits approach begins to tremble ... is this not proof of the existence of spirits?
As far as it goes, you have convinced me that you really are experiencing something out of the ordinary.
I can't even completely rule out the possibility you are sensing something not otherwise visible (though I do not think so).

But trembling sensations do not prove that disembodied dead people are causing it.
And no reason to think so (unless you're inadvertently leaving out some details).
Do you accept books and websites and you tube videos as evidence?

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:13 am

Never mind the books and videos for now. Let's speak of your own experiences.

Merely doing unusual things and asserting spirits caused it is not evidence.

I have myself yawned a few times today. That's not even something unusual.

On what basis do you conclude your particular yawns (for example) are caused by spirits?
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Re: Existence of spirits! do not know ..

Post by Flacus » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:38 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:13 am
Never mind the books and videos for now. Let's speak of your own experiences.

Merely doing unusual things and asserting spirits caused it is not evidence.

I have myself yawned a few times today. That's not even something unusual.

On what basis do you conclude your particular yawns (for example) are caused by spirits?
you being skeptical will find it funny what I'm going to say ... I think it's a smart force because when I start to say prayer or pray yawning or yawning ends or ends in the instant! How does prayer relate to yawning?

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Post by ed » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:21 am

I channel spirits with great regularity.
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Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:53 am

Yawning and chills are evidence of spirits? Come on.
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Re: Existence of spirits! do not know ..

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:10 pm

OK. Benefit of the doubt time is over for me.

Diagnosis time: I don't detect any deliberate fakery, but the flavor of woowoo is neither amusing nor ideologically interesting.

Damn I miss Judge Floro.
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Post by Rob Lister » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:26 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:10 pm
OK. Benefit of the doubt time is over for me.

Diagnosis time: I don't detect any deliberate fakery, but the flavor of woowoo is neither amusing nor ideologically interesting.

Damn I miss Judge Floro.
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