The universe may be 2 billion years younger than we think

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The universe may be 2 billion years younger than we think

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:02 pm

The universe may be 2 billion years younger than we think (AP)
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New calculations suggest the universe could be a couple billion years younger than scientists now estimate, and even younger than suggested by two other calculations published this year that trimmed hundreds of millions of years from the age of the cosmos.

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A legitimate science story, and the reporting isn't totally evil though they exaggerate the significance.

But I file it under religion because of two aspects of the story which are premises of the following syllogism.

1) Scientists can be wrong.
2) They admit they were wrong about the age of the universe. THE AGE OF THE UNIVERSE, see?

Therefore ...

IT'S THE GASEOUS VERTEBRATE JUST LIKE WE SAID ALL ALONG, AND ALL YOU ATHEISTS ARE GOING TO HELL!


You know it will play that way. Oh yes you do. :)
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Re: The universe may be 2 billion years younger than we think

Post by Rob Lister » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:05 pm

How does this affect the price of rice?

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Re: The universe may be 2 billion years younger than we think

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:31 pm

Rob Lister wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:05 pm
How does this affect the price of rice?
Something about cosmic rays, I think. I'll look into it. :P
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Re: The universe may be 2 billion years younger than we think

Post by Rob Lister » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:54 pm

I really do appreciate them second-guessing themselves on this but I suspect the difference isn't going to increase or decrease my wealth or life.

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Re: The universe may be 2 billion years younger than we think

Post by Witness » Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:11 am

Can we get a refund?
Astrophysicists already had a bit of trouble fitting old star clusters into the 13+ billion years Universe. That won't help.

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Post by Anaxagoras » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:03 am

Jee and outside experts had big caveats for her number. She used only two gravitational lenses, which were all that were available, and so her margin of error is so large that it's possible the universe could be older than calculated, not dramatically younger.

Harvard astronomer Avi Loeb, who wasn't part of the study, said it is an interesting and unique way to calculate the universe's expansion rate, but the large error margin limits its effectiveness until more information can be gathered.

"It is difficult to be certain of your conclusions if you use a ruler that you don't fully understand," Loeb said in an email.
The new estimate is made using a new method that is less well understood than earlier methods, and has a larger margin of error. So large, that the older estimate is inside the margin of error.
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Re: The universe may be 2 billion years younger than we think

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:05 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:03 am
... So large, that the older estimate is inside the margin of error.

Therefore the Gaseous Vertebrate ... :wink:
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Post by Anaxagoras » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:15 pm

Right. ;)

But seriously, this is all good. It's nice to have more than one way to arrive at the answer.

Like with Evolution. The most obvious line of evidence is probably fossils, but there are other ways to support the theory too. Like DNA, which was unknown to Darwin.
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Re: The universe may be 2 billion years younger than we think

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:05 pm

Using something being unknown to the originator of a theory pins it down better.

Anyone with a minimum of cleverness can come up with an ad hoc hypothesis.
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Re: The universe may be 2 billion years younger than we think

Post by gnome » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:25 pm

Rob Lister wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:54 pm
I really do appreciate them second-guessing themselves on this but I suspect the difference isn't going to increase or decrease my wealth or life.
You'll be singing a different tune when your Entropy Futures start crashing in value.
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