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I promised not to
Millions of Chinese students taking university entrance exams this week are being tested for their honesty as well as their academic prowess.
All 7.2 million applicants have been asked to sign a pledge promising not to cheat in the exams, according to the state-run China Daily newspaper.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-p ... 786305.stm

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Actually, I've done that too. Signed an honor pledge, that is. It was standard issue on many of my standardized tests, called the "academic honesty policy". I never cheat, anyways.
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Quester_X wrote:Actually, I've done that too. Signed an honor pledge, that is. It was standard issue on many of my standardized tests, called the "academic honesty policy". I never cheat, anyways.
My highschool had the same policy. On each test we were asked to sign an honor pledge. Most of the time the teacher gave out the tests and left the room.

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Flannery wrote:
Quester_X wrote:Actually, I've done that too. Signed an honor pledge, that is. It was standard issue on many of my standardized tests, called the "academic honesty policy". I never cheat, anyways.
My highschool had the same policy. On each test we were asked to sign an honor pledge. Most of the time the teacher gave out the tests and left the room.
What would happen should you cheat and be caught?

Was there a worse punishment for tests where you signed the 'honour pledge'?

Seems to me they were just trying to guilt people into not cheating.

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slimshady2357 wrote:
Flannery wrote:
Quester_X wrote:Actually, I've done that too. Signed an honor pledge, that is. It was standard issue on many of my standardized tests, called the "academic honesty policy". I never cheat, anyways.
My highschool had the same policy. On each test we were asked to sign an honor pledge. Most of the time the teacher gave out the tests and left the room.
What would happen should you cheat and be caught?

Was there a worse punishment for tests where you signed the 'honour pledge'?

Seems to me they were just trying to guilt people into not cheating.

Adam
Well first of all it was a catholic high school. So guilt was often used to persuade behavior. I don’t recall what the punishment was for cheating. I am sure some people did. I just know that I did not. I have always been willing to fail on my own.

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Flannery wrote:
slimshady2357 wrote:
Flannery wrote:
Quester_X wrote:Actually, I've done that too. Signed an honor pledge, that is. It was standard issue on many of my standardized tests, called the "academic honesty policy". I never cheat, anyways.
My highschool had the same policy. On each test we were asked to sign an honor pledge. Most of the time the teacher gave out the tests and left the room.
What would happen should you cheat and be caught?

Was there a worse punishment for tests where you signed the 'honour pledge'?

Seems to me they were just trying to guilt people into not cheating.

Adam
Well first of all it was a catholic high school. So guilt was often used to persuade behavior. I don’t recall what the punishment was for cheating. I am sure some people did. I just know that I did not. I have always been willing to fail on my own.
Oh jeez, I hope I didn't imply you would know because you cheated :shock:

I just found it weird.... sign this "honour pledge" because if you DO sign and THEN cheat... well! It'll be totally different then when you cheat without signing because you'll ...... what? :D

It just seems to me a pointless thing, anyone cheating will catch mighty trouble anyway, why the need for a signature?

I was just curious as to the reason for it, really.

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You know, I don't think there is a resonable explanation for honor pledges. I think they were mainly used to make students more aware of the prevalence of cheating. Certainly though, those who would be dishonest enough to cheat wouldn't mind lying as well.
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They signed the pledge, that'll learn 'em...
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I'm not smart enought to cheat.

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What happens if you don't sign?
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What happens if you don't sign?
You aren't allowed to take the test. As you can imagine, this would be a BIG problem on standardized tests such as the SATs and ACTs that you need in order to gain acceptance to college.
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Quester_X wrote:
What happens if you don't sign?
You aren't allowed to take the test. As you can imagine, this would be a BIG problem on standardized tests such as the SATs and ACTs that you need in order to gain acceptance to college.
Seems strange that they "ask" you to sign it, they should TELL you to sign it. Ask implies to me that you have a choice and you'd still be able to take it.
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Like I said, there's no reasonable explaination for honor policies. Who knows what kind of thinking is behind them?
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I suppose the point is simply to emphasize that the teacher takes honesty seriously.

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I suppose the point is simply to emphasize that the teacher takes honesty seriously.
A possible explaination, one that is most likely correct. Although it is usually not individual teachers who use honor pledges, but standardized tests. I think the most likely reason they use them is so that afterwards they can punish cheaters fully, since they cannot use the excuse that they didn't "know it was wrong" or didn't "consider what they did cheating".
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I wouldn't have a problem signing such a document. I wouldn't cheat regardless.

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Probably the issue here should be what this has to do with real-life situations. I can think of some professions in which knowing the answers from memory is of vital importance (medicine/anatomy in the operating room, or piloting a commercial jetliner), but in many cases you can just pick the phone and call a friend (search the web, look up in a book, etc...). Wouldn't it be better if we were tested to see if we can look the answer instead of knowing the answer?

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Why don't you sign it with your fingers crossed behind your back? That invalidates any promise, doesn't it?
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I usually don't cheat, but once ran into a situation where I cheated a little. It was in college, a take home exam. Everyone was supposed to do their own work, but pretty quickly several large groups of roughly half a dozen people started working together. My partner and I each did our own work seperately, but then (gasp) compared answers just to make sure our answers were in some sort of agreement. I had to cheat just this little bit, didn't I? Because everyone else was working in groups to make sure THEY got everything correct, and I had to compete with them, right? Am I going straight to hell?
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