## Top home-school texts dismiss Darwin, evolution

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### Top home-school texts dismiss Darwin, evolution

Top home-school texts dismiss Darwin, evolution. Story here.

Two of the best-selling biology textbooks stack the deck against evolution, said some science educators who reviewed sections of the books at the request of The Associated Press.

"I feel fairly strongly about this. These books are promulgating lies to kids," said Jerry Coyne, an ecology and evolution professor at the University of Chicago.
"Those who do not believe that the Bible is the inspired, inerrant Word of God will find many points in this book puzzling," says the introduction to "Biology: Third Edition" from Bob Jones University Press. "This book was not written for them."

The textbook delivers a religious ultimatum to young readers and parents, warning in its "History of Life" chapter that a "Christian worldview ... is the only correct view of reality; anyone who rejects it will not only fail to reach heaven but also fail to see the world as it truly is."
"If this is the way kids are home-schooled then they're being shortchanged, both rationally and in terms of biology," Coyne said. He argued that the books may steer students away from careers in biology or the study of the history of the earth.

Wile countered that Coyne "feels compelled to lie in order to prop up a failing hypothesis (evolution). We definitely do not lie to the students. We tell them the facts that people like Dr. Coyne would prefer to cover up."
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Another case of shit masquerading as science.
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The evidence for evolution grows weekly. The evidence for any sort of intelligent design has been stuck at zero for millions of years.

At this point we have a neo-flat-earth movement.

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corplinx wrote:The evidence for evolution grows weekly. The evidence for any sort of intelligent design has been stuck at zero for millions of years.

At this point we have a neo-flat-earth movement.
Except the flat earthers aren't so politically powerful that the politicians fight each other for the chance to suck the flat earthers cocks on a daily basis.

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corplinx wrote:The evidence for evolution grows weekly. The evidence for any sort of intelligent design has been stuck at zero for millions of years.
The line that stood out for me:
Wile countered that Coyne "feels compelled to lie in order to prop up a failing hypothesis (evolution). We definitely do not lie to the students. We tell them the facts that people like Dr. Coyne would prefer to cover up."
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They listen to people like Hovind and really do believe there is all sorts of evidence against evolution.

They really believe this.

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OTOH, if the home schoolers are actually teaching their kids to read, unlike many public schools ...

Just remember Michael Shermer started out as a fundy.

But if a kid can't read, it doesn't matter if evolution is "taught" or not.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:OTOH, if the home schoolers are actually teaching their kids to read, unlike many public schools ...

Just remember Michael Shermer started out as a fundy.

But if a kid can't read, it doesn't matter if evolution is "taught" or not.
I think you're right here. At some point, they'll be exposed to the science. As long as they're reading, they'll be able to see through the smoke and mirrors.

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djw wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:OTOH, if the home schoolers are actually teaching their kids to read, unlike many public schools ...

Just remember Michael Shermer started out as a fundy.

But if a kid can't read, it doesn't matter if evolution is "taught" or not.
I think you're right here. At some point, they'll be exposed to the science. As long as they're reading, they'll be able to see through the smoke and mirrors.
Not necessarily. The people writing/promulgating/teaching this stuff can read too. It's a pretty safe bet that the idiots who think this is fine material with which to teach their kids science can read as well.

Education is no insurance against falling for bullshit.

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At least they'll have a chance if they can read.
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Nyarlathotep wrote:
djw wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:OTOH, if the home schoolers are actually teaching their kids to read, unlike many public schools ...

Just remember Michael Shermer started out as a fundy.

But if a kid can't read, it doesn't matter if evolution is "taught" or not.
I think you're right here. At some point, they'll be exposed to the science. As long as they're reading, they'll be able to see through the smoke and mirrors.
Not necessarily. The people writing/promulgating/teaching this stuff can read too. It's a pretty safe bet that the idiots who think this is fine material with which to teach their kids science can read as well.

Education is no insurance against falling for bullshit.
Too many public schools apparently offer education that doesn't include the ability to read, write, or do arithmetic. You think Darwinism, social justice, and multiculturalism is better?
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hammegk wrote:
Nyarlathotep wrote:
djw wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:OTOH, if the home schoolers are actually teaching their kids to read, unlike many public schools ...

Just remember Michael Shermer started out as a fundy.

But if a kid can't read, it doesn't matter if evolution is "taught" or not.
I think you're right here. At some point, they'll be exposed to the science. As long as they're reading, they'll be able to see through the smoke and mirrors.
Not necessarily. The people writing/promulgating/teaching this stuff can read too. It's a pretty safe bet that the idiots who think this is fine material with which to teach their kids science can read as well.

Education is no insurance against falling for bullshit.
Too many public schools apparently offer education that doesn't include the ability to read, write, or do arithmetic. You think Darwinism, social justice, and multiculturalism is better?
Funny, my kids are in apublic school and they leearned to read/write, do artihmetic and what political indoctrination they had was more from the biases of individual teachers (which is inevitable until they perfect the Teach-bot 2000) than the cirriculum and as far as I could tell came from both sides. So yeah, I find the results preferable than having my kids taught myth as fact.

Besides, my point is that education is no insurance against anything other than being uneducated. It won't make you less susceptible to woo or anything else.

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hammegk wrote: You think Darwinism, social justice, and multiculturalism is better?
Nice work of guilt by association. And false alternative.

You forgot to mention condoms.

The private school the president's kids go to teach all those things and reading too.
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... so the gym teacher demonstrates by putting the condom on a banana.

Then a voice comes from the back of the room and says "Gee whiz coach. I thought you were supposed to put it on your cock".

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Abdul Alhazred wrote:
hammegk wrote: You think Darwinism, social justice, and multiculturalism is better?
Nice work of guilt by association. And false alternative.

You forgot to mention condoms.

The private school the president's kids go to teach all those things and reading too.
I don't doubt it. You better get something for $thousands a semester. The future leaders (and trust fund numbnuts) will be educated. And good atheists, too. The most important things in life–beauty, grace, redemption, compassion, loyalty, love–are beyond the reach of reason. Which doesn’t make them any less real. Stay far back: I'm allergic to Stupid. The simple rule, the greatest plan, that he should keep who has the power, and he should take who can. The only enemies of guns: rust ... and politicians. Philanthropist (n.) - Someone who spends his own money to advance his version of Utopia. Socialist (n.) - Someone who spends your money to advance his version of Utopia. “Jesus loves the little cheeses, all the cheeses of the world. Swiss and Cheddar, stinky, too. If He loved them, so should you. Jesus loves the little cheeses of the world.” I'm right 98% of the time; who cares about the other 3%? Abdul Alhazred Posts: 82723 Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:33 pm Title: Yes, that one. Location: Chicago You better get something for$thousands a semester.
That applies to public schools too.

The original concept was not an entitlement for parents, it was that an educated populace was good for society.
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hammegk wrote:You think Darwinism, social justice, and multiculturalism is better?
Since reading and writing are prerequisites for the latter three, the answer is yes. Wanna make something of it?
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:The original concept was not an entitlement for parents, it was that an educated populace was good for society.
And not so incidentally, good for business, democracy, and national defense.
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corplinx wrote:The evidence for evolution grows weekly. The evidence for any sort of intelligent design has been stuck at zero for millions of years.

At this point we have a neo-flat-earth movement.
Yeah, we have EXACTLY THE SAME KIND OF RELIGIOUS REACTIONARY MOVEMENT THAT DID IN THE MOORS.

Look what it did to the moors and such.

Oh, and the other thing that did them in was the stress and hate from the crusades. Which is what they want to do to us. Which is what we give in to, 150%, when we do stupid stuff like invade Iraq.
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DrMatt wrote:And not so incidentally, good for business, democracy, and national defense.
That's parts of society, no?
The arc of the moral universe bends towards chaos.
People who believe God or History are on their side provide the chaos.