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Taking notes?

As I am in full flow of my studies I have hit a large glitch.

I don't know how to take notes correctly or what parts I should be taking notes of?

In law the teacher mainly talks, now the other students are busy writing away and I am sat there going, ok ,erm, what? I write a few things down but I am unsure of how or what I am supposed to do? What I write I don't think is enough and it makes little sense when read back.

The same thing arose when I watched a program in my English class, I had no idea what I was supposed to be writing down or not. I wrote the action parts, where as others wrote who said what.

As I can't write that fast, and I feel embarrassed to say excuse me repeat that again time and time again. I am sure the teachers as well as the students would get very tired of me doing so and fast.

So how do I write notes and what do I exactly need to take notes of?

Presentation help?
The second problem is I have to do a presentation to the class on something. I don't know how or what to do it on. As this forms part of my exam. I need advice and tips if possible.


Verbal debate?
Plus on Monday we are doing a debate, again in writing I could muddle through but it is in speaking. What should I do and not do. This is my first exam I don't want to flunk it by sitting and saying nothing or saying a load of rubbish.

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I'm afraid I'm faced with the same problem you are.
Since I usually have a very good memory, I only write down the things I think I may forget, like names and dates and stuff like that.
I found the best way is to get a hold of the notes of one of the more prolific note-takers if it's something you won't be needing again for a couple of months (by which time you've forgotten all but the subject of the lecture :/).

As for your presentation, all I'd say is: pick a subject you like and know a lot about (well duh). This way, you only need a few reminders to keep you going. Also try to pick a subject that listeners may feel interested in as well. You can fill up quite some time taking questions from your listeners, and touching area's of your subject that you may not have thought about before. But be carefull, your listeners may be dead quiet, so don't depend on them too much for input.

And might I suggest this is a perfect opportunity to introduce a whole classroom to skepticism ;)
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exarch wrote:I'm afraid I'm faced with the same problem you are.
Since I usually have a very good memory, I only write down the things I think I may forget, like names and dates and stuff like that.
I found the best way is to get a hold of the notes of one of the more prolific note-takers if it's something you won't be needing again for a couple of months (by which time you've forgotten all but the subject of the lecture :/).

As for your presentation, all I'd say is: pick a subject you like and know a lot about (well duh). This way, you only need a few reminders to keep you going. Also try to pick a subject that listeners may feel interested in as well. You can fill up quite some time taking questions from your listeners, and touching area's of your subject that you may not have thought about before. But be carefully, your listeners may be dead quiet, so don't depend on them too much for input.

And might I suggest this is a perfect opportunity to introduce a whole classroom to skepticism ;)

I will give that a try but as I am chronically shy that is a very hard thing to do. My fellow law students aren't exactly friendly, with each other let alone me the newbie. Quite a hostile class really.


As for the presentation, now that is a good idea although I know very little about Skepticism, again I muddle though. So again tips and hints are welcome to sell wholesale Skepticism to the great unwashed. :D Especially funny parts, I don't want my poor fellow English students falling asleep :o :(

As you put it I have to know the subject, which is my current downfall. I know very little about anything and not enough to hold my own on. It has to last about 5- 15 minutes. I think he said 5 minutes, which feels like a lifetime for me. I have to ask for that information again.
Panic = me and scared shirtless too. I wonder if a 5 minute non talk on silence would be acceptable? :? :oops: :cry: :( I could do that :D :lol:


All in all I am enjoying, even I am struggling in, my courses. Except Maths they stopped the class as the teacher got another job. :(

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Fluffy wrote:As for the presentation, now that is a good idea although I know very little about Skepticism, again I muddle though. So again tips and hints are welcome to sell wholesale Skepticism to the great unwashed. :D Especially funny parts, I don't want my poor fellow English students falling asleep :o :(
Well, apart from the lack of knowledge about skepticism, can you think of anything more entertaining than Randi himself writing or speaking about yet another woowoo who came up with yet another bizarre contraption or belief?
Skepticism is extremely funny and entertaining. You'll be fine :D

As for information about skepticism, I don't know. When do you need this presentation? And has the teacher specified any guidelines apart from the fact it has to be at least 5 minutes?

I wonder though, if you are chronically shy, isn't being a law student a bit counterintuitive then? You may one day be required to raise your voice in a fully loaded courtroom or something :)
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Fluffy, are you allowed to use one of those small digital sound recorders in your classes? There are some very good ones now, at reasonable cost. If journalists all use them nowadays, in preference to shorthand, why shouldn't students? I think a video camera would be distracting for the person using it, the lecturer, and the rest of the class, but modern digital sound recorders are very discrete; not much bigger than a pen.

When I was doing my degree, us students had to give twenty-minute presentations on our projects to a group of lecturers. My group had all done projects based on electronics and computers.

The guy before me began his session by asking, "Can I assume you all know what binary arithmetic is?" One of the lecturers, who happened to teach management theory, replied that he didn't. The student then spent his whole twenty minutes trying to explain binary to this guy - he never even began to explain his project.

Then it was my turn. I began, "To understand my project fully, a knowledge of binary arithmetic is necessary, and my presentation assumes that the audience has such an understanding."

I'm glad I was able to learn from the previous student's misfortune.

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I rarely take notes. While I am writing, I am not listening.

Just write down stuff the teacher writes on the board or tends to accentuate in his/her speech. And any dates, figures, stuff like that.

I used to be an instructor, so I can tell you the most important thing during a presentation is to never turn your back to the class. If you have some sort of visual aid, practice pointing to it while facing the class. It isn't as hard as it sounds. Watch your local weatherman for presentation pointers.

Arrange your presentation with an introduction (explain why the hell you think they need to know this so they will want to pay attention), objectives, and then the material. Close it with a comprehension check ("Any questions on the topic?").

Practice. Practice. Practice. Know your stuff cold. Know more than what you are presenting in case a question outside the presentation comes up.

If you have an anecdote that applies, use it.

Dress decently. This makes an impression that will affect your grade.

Do not use an acronym without explaining what it stands for.
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Fluffy wrote:Presentation help?
The second problem is I have to do a presentation to the class on something. I don't know how or what to do it on. As this forms part of my exam. I need advice and tips if possible.
It would help if we knew what subject the class is.
Fluffy wrote:Verbal debate?
Plus on Monday we are doing a debate, again in writing I could muddle through but it is in speaking. What should I do and not do. This is my first exam I don't want to flunk it by sitting and saying nothing or saying a load of rubbish.
Well, since it is now Monday, I guess I'm too late to help you there. :D
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exarch wrote:
Fluffy wrote:As for the presentation, now that is a good idea although I know very little about Skepticism, again I muddle though. So again tips and hints are welcome to sell wholesale Skepticism to the great unwashed. :D Especially funny parts, I don't want my poor fellow English students falling asleep :o :(
Well, apart from the lack of knowledge about skepticism, can you think of anything more entertaining than Randi himself writing or speaking about yet another woowoo who came up with yet another bizarre contraption or belief?
Skepticism is extremely funny and entertaining. You'll be fine :D

As for information about skepticism, I don't know. When do you need this presentation? And has the teacher specified any guidelines apart from the fact it has to be at least 5 minutes?

I wonder though, if you are chronically shy, isn't being a law student a bit counterintuitive then? You may one day be required to raise your voice in a fully loaded courtroom or something :)
I studied law as I thought why not study it. I knew nothing about law or the law system so what better way. Other than going down a criminal route. :o So i chose to study it. It is not easy but I have learnt more than I did know in the few short weeks. It looks good on a CV to have some, hopefully, educational qualifications. :D

Can I practise law, I don't know. That is a wait and see and as you point out I have to speak in front of people, that is something I may have to work on if I am good enough to continue.

My presentation in to be preformed on Monday 18th October 2004.

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Luke T. wrote:would help if we knew what subject the class is.
English and I want to do it Skepticism. to be done on the 18th of this month. I need help, material etc so i can preach to the great unwashed. :D Must be funny though I don't want to scare them :shock:


Well, since it is now Monday, I guess I'm too late to help you there. :D
I passed with an A+ :D :D :D the debate was on 3 subjects, Consumerism, English men buying wives abroad and Political correctness. :x :x :x Which all linked into oddly our reading material 1984. It wasn't intended either. I got a praise for that. :D

I learnt much and have questions to ask on all 3. You have been warned. :D

I was the only one who researched it and brought in that research to make points. :shock: :? Well the only one who almost brought in a whole book worth of it, another student who raised her voice at me for interrupting :oops: :oops: :oops: had a small paragraph on political correctness and the problems in school she faced. I talked too, I actually talked. :D :D :D

I walked out of my English class all proud and glowing. :D :D :D

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Good for you Fluffy! I've done some public speaking (stand up comedy among other aspects, and others have posted they are/have been performers as well), so from that standpoint you have a lot of support here.

Ask anything. No doubt someone here can help.
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I have a very good memory, so it's not a real problem for me. But, if you have to compartmentalize, it's easy to do. Just make sure that you don't freak when you bomb your first test. There are teachers that want dates- no not that kind, and teachers that want ideas. After the first test, you can be pretty sure what the class is about. Then, take notes accordingly. On a side note, a teacher that just wants memorization of dates without expansion isn't really worth your money or effort. One can look up dates, but actually thinking about a subject is education.

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Denise wrote:I have a very good memory, so it's not a real problem for me. But, if you have to compartmentalize, it's easy to do. Just make sure that you don't freak when you bomb your first test. There are teachers that want dates- no not that kind, and teachers that want ideas. After the first test, you can be pretty sure what the class is about. Then, take notes accordingly. On a side note, a teacher that just wants memorization of dates without expansion isn't really worth your money or effort. One can look up dates, but actually thinking about a subject is education.
Thank you Denise.

I flunked the presentation.


Good news it was a practise. Bad new I have to do it again in 2 weeks time :shock:

I at least did it, some who were there when I was off sick, wouldn't do it. :x I shook like a leaf and had butterfly's but I did it and with not much of a voice either. One of my fellow students just refused saying she hadn't prepared enough. I was spitting at that point and thought, you watched how to do and saw good examples of it all last week I didn't So you are not prepared phooey! No excuse :x The other one had a bad attack of nerves, I sympathized a little. Some didn't turn up, they're going to get a surprise in 2 weeks time :twisted:

I did my talk on vampirism. Seeing Denise's topic on Vampires settled the subject matter. I have also learnt a few things from somebody else, all the medical side of vampirism etc. It is a fascinating subject when you get into it. The medical aspect was my scepticism showing :D

I can re-do the same subject and hone it to be less fuddled. Or change it. I am thinking changing it so I don't get questioned more :D I had one because I said the wrong word and got tongue tied on the bigger words, like the medical terminology.

I will also remember to bring my proper notes not my rough ones. that did not help matters.

I went first too. I am sure the teacher did the handing out of number tickets on purpose so I got number 1 :evil:

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Fluffy, now that you have the subject and material all ready, the best thing you can do is practice.

And going first is a good thing. You become the standard up to which all others must live.

Good work!
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Loon wrote:Fluffy, now that you have the subject and material all ready, the best thing you can do is practice.

And going first is a good thing. You become the standard up to which all others must live.

Good work!
I have and I have been practicing. the mirror is not a good alternative audience :oops:

I'll be glad when it is over, talking to one's self is so not cool :oops: :o

I honed down the material I am to use, which is werewolves now. Saves the swots trying to ask me questions on vampires. Big thanks to Q' for providing the starting material. :D

I have more than I need but better to have more than none at all.
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Done it is over. Thank god for that I went to pieces, flaming teacher didn't help he said wind up, like argh gee thanks for interrupting me and all. It went more downhill at a break neck speed after that :oops: :evil:

I got an A, no matter. Guess which some Fluffy :x forgot :shock: :? to do. HAND OUT THE DAMN HANDOUTS. D'oh :roll: :knock: :bricks: Read notes it says hand out handouts, did I, no I did not :x

Next week Romeo and Juliet film to watch with Leonardo de Caprio in it. I do not like Romeo and Juliet, it is very hard reading. :evil: :cry:
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"Hand me my sword" :D

By the way Fluffy, nice avatar ;)
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exarch wrote:"Hand me my sword" :D

By the way Fluffy, nice avatar ;)
Thank you Marian made me it for me and here you go, mind this sword is sharp. :D

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Fluffy wrote:
exarch wrote:"Hand me my sword" :D

By the way Fluffy, nice avatar ;)
Thank you Marian made me it for me and here you go, mind this sword is sharp. :D
Sorry, the "sword" comment was in response to the "Romeo and Julliet" bit. Well, just watch the movie, it's pretty good ...
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exarch wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
exarch wrote:"Hand me my sword" :D

By the way Fluffy, nice avatar ;)
Thank you Marian made me it for me and here you go, mind this sword is sharp. :D
Sorry, the "sword" comment was in response to the "Romeo and Julliet" bit. Well, just watch the movie, it's pretty good ...
The guns are the swords I saw. we only watched Act 1. :D

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I seem to be forever asking for help. Sorry. :(

I am to do next week from Act 1 of Romeo and Juliet. Two parts of my choice and of characters.

I am to read them aloud and if I feel so brave, wave my arms and add the emotional elements to them. I am also to explain what is going on in those parts.

HELP and advice needed!

I am struggling badly with the language and comprehension on this. :oops: :(


I was thinking on doing Mercutio as one, the end scene where Tybalt kills him. I enjoyed that in the Leonardo De Caprio film I watched. Perhaps Father Lawrence's part???


Shall I write what I think and somebody might like to correct me or what do you think is best?