Why sex education in the public schools is bad.

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Most of what they teach you in civics class is true only on paper but not in actual fact anyway. Things like "separation of powers" and "separation of church and state". Not to mention the blatant lies like "your vote counts" and "our systemof government works".

If any class is meant by its very design to indoctrinate, it's fucking Civics class. At least parts of Sex Ed (how much depends on the specific cirriculum, natch) teach factual information like "Be careful where you stick that thing or you'll catch the clap or worse"
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It would be a dark day when they stop teaching kids how the system is intended to work, even if in reality it doesn't function well.

I think those concepts are definitely worth teaching.
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gnome wrote:It would be a dark day when they stop teaching kids how the system is intended to work, even if in reality it doesn't function well.

I think those concepts are definitely worth teaching.
Why bother when those are nothing but a bunch of propaganda meant to give kids the illusion that things work differently than they do? Ours is a government of the rich, by the rich and for the rich, whose sole purpose is keeping the peasants in line so the rich can enjoy their power and privilege, everyone else can just fuck off. Why not at least be honest about it?
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Nyarlathotep wrote:
gnome wrote:It would be a dark day when they stop teaching kids how the system is intended to work, even if in reality it doesn't function well.

I think those concepts are definitely worth teaching.
Why bother when those are nothing but a bunch of propaganda meant to give kids the illusion that things work differently than they do? Ours is a government of the rich, by the rich and for the rich, whose sole purpose is keeping the peasants in line so the rich can enjoy their power and privilege, everyone else can just fuck off. Why not at least be honest about it?

Why bother? Because it's good form to at least try to make a fucking difference. (And this from a world class cynic!)
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Something needs a little pinning down here. "Indoctrination" like "propaganda" is not ipso facto evil.

If you tell a child how to behave, that is indoctrination.
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sparks wrote:
Nyarlathotep wrote:
gnome wrote:It would be a dark day when they stop teaching kids how the system is intended to work, even if in reality it doesn't function well.

I think those concepts are definitely worth teaching.
Why bother when those are nothing but a bunch of propaganda meant to give kids the illusion that things work differently than they do? Ours is a government of the rich, by the rich and for the rich, whose sole purpose is keeping the peasants in line so the rich can enjoy their power and privilege, everyone else can just fuck off. Why not at least be honest about it?

Why bother? Because it's good form to at least try to make a fucking difference. (And this from a world class cynic!)
You can at least try to flap your arms and fly to the moon too. It's pretty much a waste of time and makes you look like a fool, though.
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Name that fallacy for 100 please Alex.......
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:Something needs a little pinning down here. "Indoctrination" like "propaganda" is not ipso facto evil.

If you tell a child how to behave, that is indoctrination.
Is setting kids up with unrealistic expectations and a completely false worldview evil? Especially when its for the sole purpose of keeping them docile little drones for the people who run things.

I think it is.
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sparks wrote:Name that fallacy for 100 please Alex.......
If you consider realizing that some things are a waste of time and effort because you will never succeed a fallacy, sure.
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I'm afraid you've missed it Nyar. And because I like you, I'm not going to press it.
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Hmmmmmmmmmm.

If teachers are not qualified to teach Sex Ed to kids, then who is? Where is this qualification? How does one attain it?

I would agree that too many folks seem to rely on schools to raise children. Should Sex Ed be a purely parental concern? Is it a part of the curriculum that should be held by the parents? If so, would the parents be any more 'qualified' than the teachers?

Nyarl: So we should teach our children this: The rich control everything, you're fucked, get used to it.
?
How did the rich get rich?


But aside from all that, I think the real question is what should we teach in public schools? What is the domain of the school, and what is the domain of parents?
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Nyarl: So we should teach our children this: The rich control everything, you're fucked, get used to it.
?
"The rich control control everything, you're fucked, get used to it" is the truth, so why lie and tell them otherwise? What purpose does it serve to pretend that things are different than they are?
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Damn man, if that's the way you really feel about it, then what is the point in anything?
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sparks wrote:Damn man, if that's the way you really feel about it, then what is the point in anything?
I ask myself that all the time. I'll get back to you if I ever come up with an answer.

I think the character in my current avatar has the right idea. There is no point.
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Nyarlathotep wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Something needs a little pinning down here. "Indoctrination" like "propaganda" is not ipso facto evil.

If you tell a child how to behave, that is indoctrination.
Is setting kids up with unrealistic expectations and a completely false worldview evil? Especially when its for the sole purpose of keeping them docile little drones for the people who run things.

I think it is.
I would say that throughout history, the ones that have been the biggest thorns in the side of those who run things are the ones who know how it's supposed to be. The ones that know they have rights and go to court to get them are the ones that have changed how the rulers behave, to what extent that it is possible.

The drones would be ones that haven't been told they have rights, or how to try to enforce them.
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Good point.
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gnome wrote:
Nyarlathotep wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Something needs a little pinning down here. "Indoctrination" like "propaganda" is not ipso facto evil.

If you tell a child how to behave, that is indoctrination.
Is setting kids up with unrealistic expectations and a completely false worldview evil? Especially when its for the sole purpose of keeping them docile little drones for the people who run things.

I think it is.
I would say that throughout history, the ones that have been the biggest thorns in the side of those who run things are the ones who know how it's supposed to be. The ones that know they have rights and go to court to get them are the ones that have changed how the rulers behave, to what extent that it is possible.

The drones would be ones that haven't been told they have rights, or how to try to enforce them.
Good luck with that.
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I can give plenty of examples if you don't believe me.
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"You goddamn kids! Stop having sex on my lawn!!"
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The way I see it, the issue is whether it is in the interests of society for schoolchildren to be taught about sex by Sargeant Schultz using a curriculum constructed by a committee of Colonel Klinks.
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