I was real good at 'social studies' in high school

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I was real good at 'social studies' in high school

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Always got good grades in it. But I still did not know 'social studies' were nor could I have come up with a reasonable official definition.

So I figured I was just being good at feeding back the BS.

Finally someone not a crackpot (? :| ) agrees with my opinion.

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Social studies was to mold the properly socialized citizens of this grand future
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The way I always heard it, it was an umbrella term for history, geography, sociology, psychology, political science, and comparative religion--all the fields that would be considered part of the Social Studies Division of a contemporary university, grouped together by analogy with the way that Geology, Astronomy, Biology, Chemistry, and Physics were all Science.
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It was always a single course.

I never heard of a social studies class above the high school level.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:It was always a single course.

I never heard of a social studies class above the high school level.
Science was always a single course. I never heard of a science class above the high school level.
So far, so good.
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DrMatt wrote:Science was always a single course. I never heard of a science class above the high school level.
1) Not my high school. Junior high yes.

2) There was no "Social Studies" department where I went to college, though there were courses that might be classified that way.

Yes, it was a very LIBBERUL college.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:
DrMatt wrote:Science was always a single course. I never heard of a science class above the high school level.
1) Not my high school. Junior high yes.

2) There was no "Social Studies" department where I went to college, though there were courses that might be classified that way.

Yes, it was a very LIBBERUL college.
There was no "Science" department where I went to college either. Never heard of a science department of a college.
At the college level, Science and Social Studies are divisions, part of the Chinese Menu System of Distribution Requirements (15 credits each from Columns A, B, C, and D, plus completion of a major...).
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I'm waiting for someone other than DrMatt to check in.

Then I will get back to DrMatt.
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Check.

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Smartass.
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As the saying goes, those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Those who do know history are doomed to teach it.
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So. DrMatt.

May I correctly assume you went to a public high school in the United States and had " "social" "studies" " class (note nested " "scare" "quotes" ") ?
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I just read the fine rambling article. All I see are a whole lot of words saying a whole lot of little. wtf was his point, other than that he doesn't like social studies?
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I went to public school in the United States and had "social" "studies" at the elementary school level. After that it was specialized into its individual subjects, just like "Math", "Science", and "Language Arts".

Be sure when you take the knife to Social Studies that you leave in Comparative Economics... or all the little Americans won't know why Communism doesn't work.

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Like Dr. Matt, when I went to school 'Social Studies' was just the term for History, Geography and Government classes. To the point that everyone I knew used 'social studies' and 'history' to be interchangable terms when referring to the class. Nothing even remotely like what is being described in the article. And if anything, I think our schools can use more of the first two (I always found Government to be kind of bullshitty and propaganda prone, but more in a 'AMERICA IS AWESOME' way than communist style.). In fact, I don't think I ever took or even heard of the kind of class until mentioned in the article, until I read the article.
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Nyarlathotep wrote:Nothing even remotely like what is being described in the article.
An New York thing maybe?

Sure some of the stuff in the article is debatable, but when I read it it took me back to my high school days. And that is not a good thing.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Nyarlathotep wrote:Nothing even remotely like what is being described in the article.
An New York thing maybe?

Sure some of the stuff in the article is debatable, but when I read it it took me back to my high school days. And that is not a good thing.
Must be. Even going back to elementary school, which this article focuses mostly on, I seem to recall Social Studies being simple basic history and geography (America has 50 states, George Washington was the first president, that sort of thing). Sometimes punctuated with some presention on other cultures (the photo of the teacher in 'Peruvian costume' is about the only thing familiar to me), but I don't see a problem with that, other cultures exist.
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My daughter is taking "Global Connections" in her Freshman year in HS.

It's some history, some geography, some political science.

It's part of her Social Studies curriculum. I think the only part my daughter doesn't like is that the tests and assignments increase in difficulty based on your comprehension skills, so it's not just an easy 'A' - her tests are actually harder.
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I also don't recall division-level courses in high school, only that the divisions existed. Illinois required 4 years of English plus a minimum of one year outside of English but within Language Arts; in practice that was usually French or Spanish. In Middle School, teaching was in four divisions (Math, Science, Social Studies, Language Arts). And prior to high school, you got one teacher and that was it.
At all of those public-school levels, there were also "extras": 12 years mandatory 5-day-per-week Physical Education; once-per-week each of music and art; and assemblies.
And there were "extracurriculars": coached sports teams, performing ensembles, plays, etc.
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