Expelled- No Intelligence Allowed

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This is a great documentary by Ben Stein about the Intelligent Design vs. Evolution debate, and how anyone who supports intelligent design or investigates it in a scientifically valid way, is unfairly and unjustly fired from academic institutions.

You also have to love how Ben Stein makes a fool out of Dawkins. When he gets Dawkins to admit that if the scientific evidence was strong enough to prove Aliens created life on Earth, that he would believe it and accept it, but if the scientific evidence proves a God created life on Earth, Dawkins would never accept it regardless of scientific evidence.

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Nyarlathotep wrote:First
Nice try at a face saving comeback. I'm sorry to inform you that you are still a fail.

That is your second post, "firsts" only work when they are the first post after the OP.

You = :oops:
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No less than Pixy Misa called it “a blood libel on science.”
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Not to feed the troll but that old thread bears re-reading, along with the various linky poos found there. 8)

Especially this one:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/ ... derbyshire
... . When talking about the creationists to people who don’t follow these controversies closely, I have found that the hardest thing to get across is the shifty, low-cunning aspect of the whole modern creationist enterprise. Individual creationists can be very nice people, though they get nicer the further away they are from the full-time core enterprise of modern creationism at the Discovery Institute. The enterprise as a whole, however, really doesn’t smell good. You notice this when you’re around it a lot. ...
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This actually has nothing to do with creationism. Accepting there is an intelligent guiding force in the universe does not have to have anything to do with Christians or creationists.

For example, we can take Crick's theory, that Life on Earth may have extra terrestrial origins. This would be a theory indicating "design" and "intelligence", but not God or Christ.

The fact is, that once scholars get a certain theory in their head, they will do anything to keep competing theories from being proven, even if they are true. Sometimes it takes a whole generation of scholars or scientists to die out before the old superstitions and theories are discarded and new ones are adopted fully.
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The same one?

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I'll play exactly once.

Explain how you scientifically examine the veracity of ID.

Stein is a smart guy, btw, but an idiot on this topic.
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Same way as any subject.
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Lord Kilik wrote:Same way as any subject.

Fail

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ed wrote:
Lord Kilik wrote:Same way as any subject.

Fail

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Well, actually, technically, he is correct, in that, in any subject, you have to first show that your claims are testable against the real world, and then test them. Everybody who has done that with ID has failed the first part, and the most scientifically credentialed among them, Michael Behe, has had to admit under oath that ID rests on the prior beliefs of the person purporting to be convinced of it rather than on natural evidence (Kitzmiller vs Dover Area School District, 2005).
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He's correct for small values of correct.

The issue is similar with what you encounter with people who talk about "energy" or "crystal power" or any other ill defined woo thing. When you ask them a question that requires some level of rigor in the response you get a banality. As I expected and as I received. That sort of answer probably works for others in his playgroup but I am too jaded to play.
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ed wrote:He's correct for small values of correct.
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I will quote you without attribution every so often.
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ed wrote:He's correct for small values of correct.

The issue is similar with what you encounter with people who talk about "energy" or "crystal power" or any other ill defined woo thing. When you ask them a question that requires some level of rigor in the response you get a banality. As I expected and as I received. That sort of answer probably works for others in his playgroup but I am too jaded to play.
Well, if you say that he didn't answer the question but just burden-shifted it over on you, then I'm definitely on the same page.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:
ed wrote:He's correct for small values of correct.
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I will quote you without attribution every so often.
Me too.

My (lack of)god, I think ed just started an SC meme.