Fukushima one year on

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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by robinson » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:41 pm

There is no reactor building left around the fuel pond. There is a shell they put over the remains of the reactor building.


Some day we might know how bad it is, but I doubt it. Most people still don't know the Three Mile Island reactor building is radioactive and still sitting there. They have avoided doing anything to deal with it since 1979. That's forty years the ruined building has sat there since the accident.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by Witness » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:42 am

Nuclear safety costs in Japan surge to staggering heights

Energy policy called into question as solar and wind power prices fall

July 09, 2019 04:11 JST
The reactors in operation at Kansai Electric Power's Takahama nuclear plant could be shut down if the utility fails to complete required anti-terrorism measures on schedule.

TOKYO -- Japan's nuclear plant operators face ballooning costs for meeting safety requirements imposed six years ago, potentially throwing a wrench into the government's policy of promoting the atom as a low-cost, reliable energy source.

The estimated total cost of bringing plants into compliance with current standards sits at roughly 4.8 trillion yen ($44.2 billion), according to a Nikkei survey of nine of the 10 big regional electricity providers along with Japan Atomic Power and Electric Power Development. The survey excluded Okinawa Electric Power, which has no nuclear capacity.

In January 2013, the utilities had pegged the cost of safety measures at just 900 billion yen. About six months later the Nuclear Regulation Authority -- the country's nuclear watchdog -- imposed some of the world's toughest safety standards to prevent a recurrence of the 2011 Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster, triggered by an earthquake and tsunamis.

These requirements are poised to drive up the cost of nuclear power generation. In 2015, the government estimated that nuclear energy would cost as little as 10.3 yen per kilowatt-hour to generate in 2030 -- less than coal at 12.9 yen, or solar at 12.5 to 16.4 yen.

But the price of nuclear rises by 1 yen per kilowatt-hour for every 100 billion yen that safety-related expenses add to the cost of a new reactor. Meanwhile, solar and wind have become cheaper, dropping below 10 yen per kilowatt-hour in a growing number of cases overseas and even becoming competitive with nuclear in certain areas.

Consumers may end up bearing a portion of the burden through higher electricity rates.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by sparks » Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:58 am

"Too cheap to meter..."

https://www.nrc.gov/info-finder/decommi ... nit-2.html

" TMI-2 has been defueled and decontaminated to the extent the plant is in a safe, inherently stable condition suitable for long-term management."

I'd hardly call that "avoided doing anything to deal with it since 1979."

But, I suppose the NRC could be in on the plot to rape Julian Assange with Epsteins dick...
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by Doctor X » Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:37 am

sparks wrote:
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But, I suppose the NRC could be in on the plot to rape Julian Assange with Epsteins dick...
You think that is a bad thing?

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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by sparks » Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:54 pm

No, but remember Epstein allegedly prefers underage girls. Not a pedo, but not nice either.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by Witness » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:55 pm

Japan tells diplomats no decision yet on contaminated Fukushima water

TOKYO (Reuters) - Japanese government officials on Wednesday told diplomats they were still considering options for handling contaminated water at Tokyo Electric Power’s wrecked Fukushima nuclear power plant amid worries the water may be dumped into the ocean.

A massive body of tainted water - more than a million tons as of August - is building up at the plant, crippled by a 2011 earthquake and tsunami, as operator Tokyo Electric (Tepco) tries to cool the melted fuel cores by pouring water over them. Tepco has said it will run out of tank space by mid-2022.

The briefing for embassy officials in Tokyo follows a meeting in August of a government panel of experts looking into ways to solve the water problem. The final government decision will be made based on a report by the panel.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by robinson » Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:28 am

What they don't tell you, and most people just don't know, is how hideous and difficult melted radioactive core material is, and how soluble it is, and how very very dangerous it is. Especially when in water.

And since they have to keep water on the corium, to prevent it from melting through the concrete foundations, there will be no end to the highly dangerous and polluted and radioactive water, which they just keep storing.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by robinson » Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:33 am

Dumping it in the ocean just means they will be dumping it in the ocean for the next 1000 years. The real problem, and it is very real, is that there is actually no solution to the problem.

They haven't cleaned up Three Mile island yet, and they probably never will. And it is a lot smaller problem, just contaminated concrete and steel and such, a very small amount compared to three melted cores (around 300 tons of fuel, mixed with concrete and steel, somewhere under the reactors)

Same with Chernobyl. They don't even have a plan to ever solve the problem. The reason for covering it is to try and keep rain out, and slow the deterioration of the ruined structure. In essence they just want to keep the melted core material out of the groundwater. There is no plan to move it anywhere else, even of they could. In around 400 years they might be able to. Maybe.

Fuskushima is a whole nother issue.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by robinson » Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:43 am

Something that is quite evident, at least to me, is the issue of design, and containment, and clean up. Involving nuclear reactors.

There never was, and still isn't, any plan, any equipment, and any solution to a complete meltdown. Much less were any tests done on any designs, to see if the design would actually work. And there is no solution, no solving the problem of a core meltdown.

the Windscale disaster in England, which started October 10, 1957, probably still hasn't been fixed. They are still trying to remove the melted fuel. Maybe. in 2008 they claimed there was only 18 tons of fuel left to remove.

Who the fuck knows? As Thomas Tuohy said, they were a shower of bastards, those responsible for that shit.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by robinson » Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:47 am

In any case, there simply isn't, nor has there ever been, a plan and equipment to deal with a worse case scenario involving a nuclear reactor. And clearly the containment doesn't work.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by robinson » Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:48 am

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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by sparks » Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:26 am

And you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. But that not withstanding, carry on.

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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by robinson » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:39 pm

No you
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:41 pm

sparks wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:26 am
And you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. But that not withstanding, carry on.

Fuckwit.
How about a point by point refutation of robinson's disquisition? :)

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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by robinson » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:17 pm

There will be no refutation
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by robinson » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:18 pm

The fact that no containment structure, no reactor design was ever tested is obvious. There was and is no way anyone is going to melt down a reactor full of fuel to see if the design works.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by robinson » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:25 pm

Even worse, it's now known (the hard way) that the Mark 1 containment (Fuksuhima and a lot of others) has a serious design flaw. If the spent fuel pond goes dry, either through a leak or the water boils away, the melting spent fuel will melt through the concrete, and the hot fuel will end up on the torus below. Which, if it still has water in it, will lead to the worst case scenario. The entire load of hot, dangerous, melting and burning fuel will simply blow sky high, making the entire site, and everywhere down wind, so radioactive nobody, and no machine can get anywhere near it.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Containme ... r_reactors

Of course that would just be the start of the worst case scenario. What happens next is much much worse.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by robinson » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:26 pm

Any reasonable skeptic who knows anything about this can figure out what happens next. I don't even want to type it out, much less think about it.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by robinson » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:17 pm

Bruce wrote:
Wed May 16, 2012 10:57 pm
Has the reactor melted it's way down to the core of the earth yet? You know, like the nuclear scientists of the 1940's promised?
Nobody ever predicted that. What they did worry about (and for good reason) was a nuclear meltdown melting it's way down until it hits groundwater.

Most people only focus on the negative in this matter. All worried about the steam explosion that would explode 100 tons of radioactive fuel into the upper atmosphere.

But what about the positive? We can use molten nuclear spent fuel to make very deep wells, anywhere, at any time. A self sustaining mass of super hot material, just going farther and rather down into the crust of the earth. Melting through anything and everything, until it reaches the magma!

We could actually create artificial volcanoes! How cool is that?

Just make sure there is no groundwater, and off we go. And hell, there is so much spent fuel in the world, and nobody really wants it around, you could get it dirt cheap. A win win situation for all.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:47 pm

robinson wrote:
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Any reasonable TrueTM SkepticTM ...
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