Is Neil Young right about sound quality?

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Re: Is Neil Young right about sound quality?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:35 am

Nope.

That's the machine reading the data, but there's nothing preventing you from digitally mastering the signal, as is done whenever actual sound is digitally recorded. :p
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Re: Is Neil Young right about sound quality?

Post by Witness » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:38 am

Of course not, but that would be giving in to Digital Heresy©. I will pray for the bits of your soul. :bishop:

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:45 am

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Re: Is Neil Young right about sound quality?

Post by gnome » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:12 am

Our Partly Digital system includes 1s, 0s, and a variable analog waveform from a slide whistle.
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Re: Is Neil Young right about sound quality?

Post by Rob Lister » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:29 am

My stereo's volume goes to 1011

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Re: Is Neil Young right about sound quality?

Post by Witness » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:21 pm

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From many years ago I also remember work done at the EPFL in Switzerland to read LPs with a rounded glass fiber, which read the upper parts of the track, not degraded by the usual stylus. Alas, found no link to that.
Found it: http://www.christerhamp.se/phono/poliak.html

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Re: Is Neil Young right about sound quality?

Post by asthmatic camel » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:43 pm

I had to buy a "granophone" for my mother last year. The experience reminded me of this sketch from the days of my youth; nothing much has changed. :)

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Re: Is Neil Young right about sound quality?

Post by Rob Lister » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:29 pm

As sad as that is, it isn't far from the truth. 20 or so years ago I watched a man at Circuit City abused by a salesman in much a similar fashion about what channels a new TV could get. I stepped up and told the salesman to fuck off...in nicer words... and informed the guy how 'modern' tuners worked. The salesman told me to leave the store. I spoke to the manager but he was clueless. I left the store...along with that guy. Of course, they're out of business now.

But I bet that guy has a kick-ass TV now.

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Re: Is Neil Young right about sound quality?

Post by asthmatic camel » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:55 pm

I ended up getting one of these, as my old Mum really does have some 78s. She was delighted, and I was quite impressed by the sound quality, even through the built in speakers. Nice piece of kit for the price. (And no, I'm not even going to mention the digital conversion software etc. to her; I bought her a laptop recently and that was bad enough, not to mention her smartphone...)
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Re: Is Neil Young right about sound quality?

Post by Witness » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:47 pm

↑ I'm very astonished by the incorporated speakers – seems to be an invitation to the Larsen effect. :?

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Re: Is Neil Young right about sound quality?

Post by asthmatic camel » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:38 pm

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↑ I'm very astonished by the incorporated speakers – seems to be an invitation to the Larsen effect. :?
They're surprisingly good, Witness; the kind of sound you'd expect from a mid-range portable stereo. Although it's normally plugged into the HiFi, the option's there to use it around the house and it'll be handy if I ever get round to converting her vinyl collection to digital. :)
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Re: Is Neil Young right about sound quality?

Post by Witness » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:06 am

I don't doubt the sound quality, just wonder how they solved the feedback problem.

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Re: Is Neil Young right about sound quality?

Post by sparks » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:49 am

Turntable is most likely on rubber isolators.
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Re: Is Neil Young right about sound quality?

Post by asthmatic camel » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:04 am

I'm no expert, but I think feedback is mostly a problem with microphones and pickups. Turntables tend to suffer when a powerful system is pumping out tons of bass, causing the deck to vibrate; these speakers aren't bad-ass. :)
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Re: Is Neil Young right about sound quality?

Post by sparks » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:55 pm

Correct.

Turntable pickups are harder to move due to the connecting mass and so respond best to massive amounts of bass. Microphones are typically designed for voice and since this is where they are most efficient, that's the frequency range of feedback you get from them.

Put enough gain into just about any system and eventually it'll go positive on you and feedback in some form or other.
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Re: Is Neil Young right about sound quality?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:25 pm

sparks wrote:
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... Put enough gain into just about any system and eventually it'll go positive on you and feedback in some form or other.
... And furthermore, some of the louder bands did it on purpose.
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Re: Is Neil Young right about sound quality?

Post by sparks » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:13 pm

Artistic license and such I should think, but I'd hardly call it music. :)
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Re: Is Neil Young right about sound quality?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:22 pm

And maybe there happened to be ground noise, and the artist just decided to go with it.

I understand Hendrix was big on that sort of thing. :BigGrin3:
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Re: Is Neil Young right about sound quality?

Post by sparks » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:28 am

Ground noise? Are you referring to junk hum? If so, there's no merit for an artist to be 'into it'. Properly designed and constructed circuitry does not produce that sort of shit. If it happened to Hendrix, he wasn't paying his roadies/album producers nearly enough money. :)
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Re: Is Neil Young right about sound quality?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:39 pm

Is it really the job of "roadies" to design circuitry? :p
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