Fukushima one year on

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I think this is the bottom line:
This predicted exposure level is many orders of magnitude less than the baseline safe level of 420 µGy/h, below which harmful effects are not expected at either the aquatic ecosystem or the population level (27). Fisher and colleagues (28) calculated the effective radiologic dose to humans from the consumption of Bluefin tuna having levels of about 6 Bq/kg of 137Cs resulting form contamination from Fukushima. They noted that the dose to humans was only about 7% and 0.2% of the dose from the natural radionuclides 40K and 210Po in the fish, which is comparable to the dose commonly received from naturally occurring radionuclides in many other food items, and only a small fraction of doses from other background sources. These results indicate that future projected levels of 137Cs in seawater in the Northeast Pacific Ocean are well below levels posing a threat to human health or the environment.
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Deeply cheered that someone has concluded that there's no health hazard regarding Fukushima.





And yet we still do not know where all the core materials are.

How charming.
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Sounds like a personal problem you don't really have.
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Patience Rob. Patience.
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okay.
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The Russians assured us that none of the people who worked on Chernobyl after the disaster ever got cancer from it.

Why be skeptical?
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Exactly. The tons of radioactive material that blew into the atmosphere never hurt a single person.






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I don't see anything. :(
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Anaxagoras wrote:I don't see anything. :(
Orcs are censored in Japan.
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How many have died still depends on who you talk to and how they, and you, define 'death by Fukushima'. Facts are facts and the fact is the legal authorities still haven't precisely located all the core material from the ones that melted. Except to say that it isn't in the pressure vessels anymore. Figured out that much anyway...

Since that means that it is technically 'uncontained'', I'd say that still constitutes an ongoing serious threat. Seems benign enough right now.

Hope it stays that way.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

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Okay, it's been a tad more than one year.
Nikkei wrote:Fukushima costs to soar to 20 trillion yen

TOKYO -- The combined costs of paying compensation for the Fukushima nuclear disaster and the decommissioning of the plant's reactors may be double the initial estimate, rising to more than 20 trillion yen ($176 billion), according to estimates by the country's industry ministry.

At the end of 2013, the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry calculated the cost at 11 trillion yen, which has since become the government's official estimate.

As electric companies other than Tokyo Electric Power Co., the operator of the crippled plant, will also pass part of the cost on to consumers through higher rates, an increase in the public burden is unavoidable.

According to multiple sources, the ministry has already conveyed its new estimates to members of its expert panel, which is in discussions on reforming the management structure at Tepco and measures to secure funds.
[…]
The cost of decommissioning reactors -- a process which will span at least 30-40 years -- are projected to swell to hundreds of billions of yen a year from the current 80 billion. That would add several trillion yen to the overall cost.

Combined with the cost of building interim storage facilities, the total cost is forecast to exceed 20 trillion yen.

The snowballing costs are due mainly to the expansion of the number of people eligible for damages and the difficulty of conducting decontamination work, neither of which was fully understood when the initial estimates were made.
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This little problem of theirs will be with them for the next 50 years (perhaps more), and it will cost them 200 billion per year (perhaps more) before it's done. And that's what makes our current (outdated) notions of how to do nuclear power far too expensive to pursue. That's also why, I suspect, there are damn few new license apps on the table for new plants. Power companies are greedy, not stupid...(usually).

Solid fuel and pressure vessels my non-existent Irish ass!!!

Oh, and fuck. :-)

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Abdul Alhazred wrote:Let that sink in. :o
On the same page there is a link to:
Japan Is Scrapping Its $9 Billion Experimental Reactor

The reactor has been plagued by malfunctions, incidents, and corruption since it went online.
I side with sparks on all that. :wink:
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Solid fuel reactors were our first attempt. Because we didn't know better. Just like religion.


Now we know better and it's time to move on.
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Here's a big mess of shitty reporting: http://www.livescience.com/58216-radioa ... 0170313-ls

They either are or are not radioactive, and if so, just how radioactive are they? No love in this article, which is what makes it bullshit.
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Not to worry you but yes, they are radioactive. Then again so are you. The existence makes only the politics. Dose makes the poison. Interesting that other than the title, the article was devoid of mention of radioactivity. Clickbait.
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Yep.

Besides, pepper cured bacon is better IMHO if it's cured a bit from within.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/09/worl ... .html?_r=0
They descend on towns and villages, plundering crops and rampaging through homes. They occasionally attack humans. But perhaps most dangerous of all, the marauders carry with them highly radioactive material.

Hundreds of toxic wild boars have been roaming across northern Japan, where the meltdown of the Fukushima nuclear plant six years ago forced thousands of residents to desert their homes, pets and livestock. Some animals, like cattle, were left to rot in their pens.

As Japan prepares to lift some evacuation orders on four towns within the more than 12-mile exclusion zone around the Fukushima plant later this month, officials are struggling to clear out the contaminated boars.
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"the marauders carry with them highly radioactive material."

That should be easy to quantify and specify. How much of what material? You'd think the NYT would provide that metric.

"But perhaps most dangerous of all"

And perhaps not dangerous at all.
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When are they going to address all of the children who gained magical telekinetic powers along with megalomania?

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"Mad Max: Porky's Revenge"
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sparks wrote:"Mad Max: Porky's Revenge"
Ouch! :mrgreen:
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That's one pissed off pound of bacon!
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Fuckin' amateurs!
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Protective clothing no longer needed to walk near Fukushima plant
In the facility on the blue Pacific Coast, people wearing casual clothes and no dust masks walk under cherry trees in full bloom.

All hot meals made with local ingredients are served at 380 yen at a cafeteria. Cold drinks, snacks, sweets, and other amenities are available at a convenience store.

The scene is not of a popular tourist site, but the location of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, hit hard by the magnitude-9.0 earthquake and ensuing tsunami on March 11, 2011.

Accompanied by officials of its operator Tokyo Electric Power Company Holdings Inc., a group of Kyodo News reporters were permitted to visit the power station earlier this month.

Six years have passed since the world's worst nuclear disaster since the 1986 Chernobyl crisis.

Efforts to remove debris tainted by radioactive substances and cover soil with construction materials such as mortar have helped decrease the radiation level in the Fukushima plant, allowing workers to wear regular uniforms at around 95 percent of the site.

Contaminated water in the facility has been recently stored in more watertight welded tanks in replacement of flange-type tanks made of steel sheets joined by bolts. The measure has reduced the possibility of water leakage.

Visitors can overlook the Nos. 1 to 4 reactor buildings from a hill about 80 meters away from the No. 1 unit. The Nos. 1 to 3 reactors suffered fuel meltdowns. Hydrogen explosions damaged the buildings housing the Nos. 1, 3 and 4 units.

On the hill, the radiation level in the air was 150 microsieverts per hour, less than the amount of radiation received during a round flight between Tokyo and New York. As long as people stand on the hill for 10 minutes with a helmet and a dust mask, there are no health effects, the operator said.

(snip)

After the two-hour tour, a radiation dosimeter carried by a reporter showed she was exposed to only 40 microsieverts, less than the amount of radiation from a chest X-ray.

Although the working environment has certainly improved, the fate of the Fukushima nuclear power plant is tenuous.

Decommissioning the crippled reactors is expected to take 30 to 40 years. The utility is aiming to begin taking out fuel debris from a first reactor by the end of 2021, but so far it has failed to even ascertain the condition inside the reactors.
FWIW, a "round [trip] flight between Tokyo and New York" would be about 26-27 hours in the air, so I guess what they are saying is that the radiation there is 26-27 times higher (per hour) than what you get in a commercial airplane.
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"The utility is aiming to begin taking out fuel debris from a first reactor by the end of 2021, but so far it has failed to even ascertain the condition inside the reactors."

Except that they are devoid of nuclear fuel...
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What's this now?
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They did some funky muon graphs of the reactors that melted through. Conclusion was that all the fuel melted and is no longer in the reactors. Most likely in the concrete of the floors of the containment buildings.

Here's a linky, but I can't locate anything that mentions the way they 'graphed' the reactor vessels, so consider that nonsense unless/until I can produce some info on it. http://enenews.com/breaking-nuclear-fue ... f-reactors

Here's something on the muon graphs: http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=8017
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They could just look.






What?

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sparks wrote:They did some funky muon graphs of the reactors that melted through. Conclusion was that all the fuel melted and is no longer in the reactors. Most likely in the concrete of the floors of the containment buildings.

Here's a linky, but I can't locate anything that mentions the way they 'graphed' the reactor vessels, so consider that nonsense unless/until I can produce some info on it. http://enenews.com/breaking-nuclear-fue ... f-reactors

Here's something on the muon graphs: http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=8017
Oh, well the article is from the lay media for laypeople so when they say "reactors" I figured that also includes the containment structures. The fuel melted through the pressure vessel out onto the ground, inside the building of course, and probably melted the floor to some extent. I don't know if removing it will ever be a realistic option in the near term. Maybe the best thing to do is just cover it up with concrete and hope for the best. Keep testing the waters in the area for any sign that it's leaking into the ground water. Inside the containment structure is just so hot that nobody can go near it safely and even robots get fried.
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Indeed. It's an interesting problem.
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If we do not break up the rods and destroy the mass, an explosion could hurl the Earth out of the Moon's orbit.






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Cue Space 1999 theme! (Second one, not the first lame ass piece of shit...)
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Bah! I preferred the first one! Had better guest stars as well!

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I was referring to the theme music only. Just want to make that clear.

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FAQ: Radiation from Fukushima, by an oceanographer from the Woods Hole Institution (March 2016).