Fukushima one year on

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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by sparks » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:00 am

Not very efficient, was it? If H-bomb triggers are the same, then every time a bell rings, 5 kilos of plutonium gets blasted into the atmosphere. How much would that leave to dump into a hole on Enewetak?

I have a tough time believing it's significant, but I could be wrong of course.

Now, nuclear reactors like the ones at Fukushima? Totally different fucking story. Not just a few kilos, but tons and tons. Many orders of magnitude of fucked.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by Witness » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:04 am

Gov't says it is safe to release contaminated Fukushima water into ocean

TOKYO

Japan's industry ministry said Monday it would be safe to release water contaminated by the Fukushima nuclear disaster into the ocean, stressing that the health risk to humans would be "significantly small."

Discharging the water into the Pacific Ocean over the course of a year would lead to between just one-1,600th and one-40,000th of the radiation that humans are naturally exposed to, the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry told a government subcommittee on the issue.

Water used to cool the melted-down cores and groundwater near the crippled plant contains some radioactive materials, and is currently being collected and stored in tanks on the plant grounds.

But space is fast running out, and the government is exploring ways to deal with the water -- already amounting to more than 1 million tons and increasing every day.

According to the ministry, annual radiation levels near the release point is estimated at between 0.052 and 0.62 microsievert at sea and 1.3 microsieverts in the atmosphere, compared with the 2,100 microsieverts that humans come into contact with in daily life.

One member of the subcommittee called on the ministry to provide detailed data showing the impact of different conditions such as ocean currents and weather.

Another member requested more information on the amount of radiation that people would be internally exposed to depending on how much fish and seaweed they consume.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by sparks » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:43 pm

Skeptical only insofar as this info comes from the government.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by Rob Lister » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:30 pm

I predict no one will die or be harmed by this decision. That's a safe bet given the death toll so far. I know that the low -- perhaps non-existent -- current death toll bothers Robinson, but facts is facts.

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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by sparks » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:15 pm

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/fuku ... ket-newtab

OMG!!! Doomed :eekeyes: Doomed I tell ya.


Oh, as you were: One must go to extraordinary lengths to even detect it. :wink:
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by robinson » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:43 am

Rob Lister wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:30 pm
I predict no one will die or be harmed by this decision.
The metric of "no one will die or be harmed" is common when people want to do something that is pretty much guaranteed to fuck things up. This reasoning is used even when it is obvious that people, and the very world itself have already been greatly harmed.

One could use this very reasoning to say the Fukushima disaster itself was no big deal, since nobody was killed or harmed by it happening. One could say the exact same thing about burning a million acres of rain forest, or the Exxon Valdez disaster. Clear cutting old growth forest, the extinction of species, the Deepwater Horizon oil spill, if nobody is harmed then it's OK, no need to even worry about it.

It's part and parcel of the old philosophy that it can't be a problem because "I can't see it from my house". I am not trying to take some moral high ground, because when I hear some great fire burned up part of California, if the news reports nobody dies and nobody was harmed, I don't even think about it.

Hell, even knowing people died in the (insert last named fire in California), I still don't really feel anything, other than a vague sense of wrongness, but it quickly is lost in the daily shit storm of other bad news. Mostly about #orangemanbad or street crime or how we are all doomed by the weather changing.
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Re: Fukushima one year on

Post by robinson » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:46 am

Something as invisible and hard to measure as radioactivity, which usually does it's harm over time, is really really hard to care about. Like the sunken reactor from a lost sub in the 1960s, leaking it's load of poison slowly into the depths.

Even if you know about it, and know it's causing a real problem, it's just not possible to really give a fuck.
You never know what's going to happen, then some shit happens nobody saw coming, then later somebody says they knew it was coming, then some new shit happens nobody saw coming, rinse and repeat