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Project ITER

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I hope this can be pulled off. Apparently construction has begun on an experimental commercial scale fusion reactor, and more importantly one that provides more energy than it requires.

If they can pull this off, it could be a game changer. If...

Still, it's nice to hear some good news for a change.

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While it is a wonderfully cool technology, it is utterly and completely impractical. While it might be news that makes you feel good, it is fluff. Worthless fluff. The pony is made of cotton candy. Incredibly expensive cotton candy.

Here are my falsifiable predictions.

You will never see fusion-generated electricity added to the power grid you use.

Your kids will never see fusion-generated electricity added to the power grid they use.

Under that design, and without excluding sunk costs, it will never generate power for less than $10,000 per kw/h (adjusted for inflation).

Perhaps I'm being too critical. I'm sure it will be ready by 2063.

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[nyarl]
It is probably a scam to further enrich the ruling class
It will probably blow up and destroy the world
It is lie propagated by the corrupt press
It is christian fundamentalist plot to take over everything
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[ed]BOOM!!!![/ed]

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[camel]It's French. Bound to be a disaster.[/camel]
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Between "It will never be practical!" and "It will fill the world with free ponies!" is there a realistic goal?

Will we reach a point where our energy grid has more power generated by fusion nuclear reactors than fission reactors?

Another question I haven't heard a lot of--does it create any harmful waste, and is the problem comparable to waste from fission reactors?
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If nobody tries, we'll never find out. It does seem a rather expensive prototype, though.
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gnome wrote:Between "It will never be practical!" and "It will fill the world with free ponies!" is there a realistic goal?
Not really. At least not using the technology they're using.
gnome wrote:Will we reach a point where our energy grid has more power generated by fusion nuclear reactors than fission reactors?
Never with this technology. Ever. Period.<--that's a period.<---that's another.
gnome wrote:Another question I haven't heard a lot of--does it create any harmful waste, and is the problem comparable to waste from fission reactors?
It creates some harmful waste radioactive byproducts* but far, far fewer than does fission. Most of the byproducts here are a result of containment materials being bombarded with neutrons; pretty mild by comparison. Nasty enough that had it even a chance in hell of being practical, the environmentalists would be screaming about it too.
asthmatic camel wrote:If nobody tries, we'll never find out.
:roll:
If nobody tries to build a colony ship to Alpha Proxima, we'll never find out.




* The term waste implies a lack of utility which is almost never true for any radioactive isotope.
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Oh, I'm skeptical enough Mr. Lister. I'm no expert, but I do think a smaller scale project might be worth a try.
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asthmatic camel wrote:Oh, I'm skeptical enough Mr. Lister. I'm no expert, but I do think a smaller scale project might be worth a try.
This is not a smaller scale project. A smaller scale project is not feasible. The technology demands a certain, shall we say, girth.

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Rob Lister wrote:
asthmatic camel wrote:Oh, I'm skeptical enough Mr. Lister. I'm no expert, but I do think a smaller scale project might be worth a try.
This is not a smaller scale project. A smaller scale project is not feasible. The technology demands a certain, shall we say, girth.
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Oh well, the French and the rest of the European Union are great at wasting money on white elephants.
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asthmatic camel wrote:Oh well, the French and the rest of the European Union are great at wasting money on white elephants.
Good. We've put that albatross to bed, skeptically speaking.

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Perhaps rendering all the lard in ed's ass would be a cheaper alternative.
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asthmatic camel wrote:Perhaps rendering all the lard in ed's ass would be a cheaper alternative.
You ain't got the energy on your little island.
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Re: Project ITER

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ed wrote:[nyarl]
It is probably a scam to further enrich the ruling class
It will probably blow up and destroy the world
It is lie propagated by the corrupt press
It is christian fundamentalist plot to take over everything
[/nyarl]
See, apparently I can't win. I post something remotely optimisitic and I get told.

A) Fuck you, you're wrong. With no evidence that I am wrong, just assertion

and

B) That I am being pessimistic anyway.

Go collectively fuck yourselves.

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Nyarlathotep wrote: A) Fuck you, you're wrong. With no evidence that I am wrong, just assertion

and

B) That I am being pessimistic anyway.
Exactly.

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When has anything good ever come out of France?

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Come now, darling. I know the secret of how to produce free energy for ze whole world. It starts with the fusion of our bodies....
Such potential!

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Burning literature makes for good power.
It's "pea-can", man.

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Mentat wrote:Burning literature makes for good power.
Mentat, what are your thoughts on Fusion as a viable replacement for coal, fission or other power sources?