## hyperloop

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### Re: hyperloop

Meanwhile in Japan, plans for a maglev train still move forward:

World’s Fastest Train to Resume Trials as Japan Plans New Line
Japan is resuming trial runs for the world’s fastest magnetic-levitation train that will complement the Shinkansen bullet-train network when ready in 2027.

Central Japan Railway Co. plans to begin work on the 5.1 trillion yen ($52 billion) maglev line between Tokyo and Nagoya as early as April. Trial runs resume today after the company spent five years building a 24-kilometer extension of a test track. The trains can run at speeds of up to 500 kilometers (310 miles) per hour. The maglevs will whisk passengers to Nagoya, a city of 2.3 million people, from Tokyo in as little as 40 minutes for the 286-kilometer journey, from as short as 95 minutes now, according to JR Central. Faced with the challenge of tunneling under Tokyo’s skyscrapers and Japanese Alps, the project is unlikely to be completed on time even as Japan’s population is projected to shrink. 2027, but "unlikely to be completed on time". California's proposed high-speed rail system is scheduled to be complete in 2029. One wonders if these are wise uses of money. A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool. William Shakespeare Rob Lister Posts: 22960 Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:15 pm Title: Incipient toppler Location: Swimming in Lake Ed ### Re: hyperloop Wouldn't it be cheaper to create two dedicated airports with continuous to/from dedicated flights with dedicated aircraft? Free. With personal autos waiting. Also free. And houses. Free again. Anaxagoras Posts: 28060 Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:45 am Location: Yokohama/Tokyo, Japan ### Re: hyperloop Well, the Denver International Airport cost shy of$5 billion to build, so let's say that, yes, it would probably cost less to build two new airports (although existing ones would seem to serve the purpose already and where would you put another airport in Tokyo? There are already 2: Haneda and Narita, although Narita is not actually in Tokyo.)

I don't know why. Trains could in theory carry more passengers, but is the demand really there? Plus there is already Shinkansen service between the two cities. A train can also stop at points in between, although that would slow it down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C5%8Dkai ... Shinkansen

Last year 143 million passengers rode the Tokaido Shinkansen (between Tokyo and Osaka/Kyoto, with Nagoya in between), and 67 million used Haneda Airport (to and from all the places it serves).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haneda_Airport
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Anaxagoras wrote:Well, the Denver International Airport cost shy of $5 billion to build, so let's say that, yes, it would probably cost less to build two new airports (although existing ones would seem to serve the purpose already and where would you put another airport in Tokyo? There are already 2: Haneda and Narita, although Narita is not actually in Tokyo.) I don't know why. Trains could in theory carry more passengers, but is the demand really there? Plus there is already Shinkansen service between the two cities. A train can also stop at points in between, although that would slow it down. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C5%8Dkai ... Shinkansen Last year 143 million passengers rode the Tokaido Shinkansen (between Tokyo and Osaka/Kyoto, with Nagoya in between), and 67 million used Haneda Airport (to and from all the places it serves). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haneda_Airport I can see that mode of transport being popular in Japan. Persons there are used to it and it has become part of its modern culture. The article in the OP postulates that Americans will take to it and abandon cars, airplanes, etc. Not. Going. To. Happen. The US is a car culture and will not abandon its cars for trains for routine travel in the foreseeable future. This is not a technological issue; it's a cultural one. CH ....life purpose is pay taxes -- pillory 12/05/13 And you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking Racing around to come up behind you again The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older Shorter of breath and one day closer to death. "Time" -- Pink Floyd Pyrrho Posts: 30064 Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2004 2:17 am Title: Man in Black Location: Division 6 ### Re: hyperloop Cool Hand wrote: Anaxagoras wrote:Well, the Denver International Airport cost shy of$5 billion to build, so let's say that, yes, it would probably cost less to build two new airports (although existing ones would seem to serve the purpose already and where would you put another airport in Tokyo? There are already 2: Haneda and Narita, although Narita is not actually in Tokyo.)

I don't know why. Trains could in theory carry more passengers, but is the demand really there? Plus there is already Shinkansen service between the two cities. A train can also stop at points in between, although that would slow it down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C5%8Dkai ... Shinkansen

Last year 143 million passengers rode the Tokaido Shinkansen (between Tokyo and Osaka/Kyoto, with Nagoya in between), and 67 million used Haneda Airport (to and from all the places it serves).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haneda_Airport
I can see that mode of transport being popular in Japan. Persons there are used to it and it has become part of its modern culture.

The article in the OP postulates that Americans will take to it and abandon cars, airplanes, etc. Not. Going. To. Happen. The US is a car culture and will not abandon its cars for trains for routine travel in the foreseeable future. This is not a technological issue; it's a cultural one.

CH
Yup. Bill Agee bankrupted Morrison Knudsen Corporation when he tried to become a high speed train magnate.

Even tried to sell it in Hawaii.

Depends on public funding. In this economy the states can't afford it, and we taxpayers sure can't.
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Pyrrho wrote:
Cool Hand wrote:
Anaxagoras wrote:Well, the Denver International Airport cost shy of $5 billion to build, so let's say that, yes, it would probably cost less to build two new airports (although existing ones would seem to serve the purpose already and where would you put another airport in Tokyo? There are already 2: Haneda and Narita, although Narita is not actually in Tokyo.) I don't know why. Trains could in theory carry more passengers, but is the demand really there? Plus there is already Shinkansen service between the two cities. A train can also stop at points in between, although that would slow it down. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C5%8Dkai ... Shinkansen Last year 143 million passengers rode the Tokaido Shinkansen (between Tokyo and Osaka/Kyoto, with Nagoya in between), and 67 million used Haneda Airport (to and from all the places it serves). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haneda_Airport I can see that mode of transport being popular in Japan. Persons there are used to it and it has become part of its modern culture. The article in the OP postulates that Americans will take to it and abandon cars, airplanes, etc. Not. Going. To. Happen. The US is a car culture and will not abandon its cars for trains for routine travel in the foreseeable future. This is not a technological issue; it's a cultural one. CH Yup. Bill Agee bankrupted Morrison Knudsen Corporation when he tried to become a high speed train magnate. Even tried to sell it in Hawaii. Depends on public funding. In this economy the states can't afford it, and we taxpayers sure can't. It seems like it would work best between two cities which also have excellent public transportation. What good does it do to take cheap and fast long-haul transportation only to be stranded at your destination. By the time you rent a car (or pay for taxies) you've spent all you saved in transportation costs. The time you spend arranging all of that will kill your time savings too, pretty much. So I can see it for some cities, but only a few here. See! I'm not a hater. Abdul Alhazred Posts: 86044 Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:33 pm Title: Yes, that one. Location: Not quite Chicago ### Re: hyperloop Rob Lister wrote:It seems like it would work best between two cities which also have excellent public transportation. ... Or between one city with good public transportation and wherever you parked your car. Plenty of people drive to NYC or Chicago, park somewhere relatively secure, and not drive again until time to go home. The arc of the moral universe bends towards chaos. People who believe God or History are on their side provide the chaos. DrMatt BANNED Posts: 29811 Joined: Fri Jul 16, 2004 4:00 pm Location: Location: Location! ### Re: hyperloop If he fails, he'll be another kook. If he succeeds, he'll be John Galt--another kook. Grayman wrote:If masturbation led to homosexuality you'd think by now I'd at least have better fashion sense. Rob Lister Posts: 22960 Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:15 pm Title: Incipient toppler Location: Swimming in Lake Ed ### Re: hyperloop DrMatt wrote:If he fails, he'll be another kook. If he succeeds, he'll be John Galt--another kook. John Galt would have built the thing and then talked about it, not talked about the thing and suggest someone else build it. Abdul Alhazred Posts: 86044 Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:33 pm Title: Yes, that one. Location: Not quite Chicago ### Re: hyperloop John Galt would have made it invisible, so your kind would never know if he built it or not. The arc of the moral universe bends towards chaos. People who believe God or History are on their side provide the chaos. DrMatt BANNED Posts: 29811 Joined: Fri Jul 16, 2004 4:00 pm Location: Location: Location! ### Re: hyperloop When I first saw the OP, I thought it created shortcuts from here to there via another dimension. I was woefully disappointed. Grayman wrote:If masturbation led to homosexuality you'd think by now I'd at least have better fashion sense. Anaxagoras Posts: 28060 Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:45 am Location: Yokohama/Tokyo, Japan ### Re: hyperloop Who is John Galt? A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool. William Shakespeare Doctor X Posts: 72897 Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:09 pm Title: Collective Messiah Location: Your Mom ### Re: hyperloop Some self-important deluded harridan's wet dream. --J.D. Mob of the Mean: Free beanie, cattle-prod and Charley Fan Club! 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People who believe God or History are on their side provide the chaos. Anaxagoras Posts: 28060 Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:45 am Location: Yokohama/Tokyo, Japan ### Re: hyperloop Elon Musk's Hyperloop Will Work, Says Some Very Smart Software When Elon Musk unveiled the Hyperloop back in August, his critics were quick to scoff at his proposal for a new, superfast mode of transporation. A number of people derided Musk’s white paper as cartoonish and vague. Musk vowed to prove the naysayers wrong by building an actual physical prototype, but that’s not expected to arrive for years. Meanwhile, some evidence has just appeared that shows Musk may indeed be onto something. Ansys (ANSS), a maker of very high-end simulation software used to design planes, trains, automobiles and all manner of other things, has fed the Hyperloop specifications into a computer and come away impressed. “I don’t immediately see any red flags,” says Sandeep Sovani, the director of land transporation strategy at Ansys. “I think it is quite viable.” A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool. William Shakespeare Abdul Alhazred Posts: 86044 Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:33 pm Title: Yes, that one. Location: Not quite Chicago ### Re: hyperloop "Work" in what sense? If he won't put up his own money ... The arc of the moral universe bends towards chaos. People who believe God or History are on their side provide the chaos. Rob Lister Posts: 22960 Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:15 pm Title: Incipient toppler Location: Swimming in Lake Ed ### Re: hyperloop When Elon Musk unveiled the Hyperloop back in August, his critics were quick to scoff at his proposal for a new, superfast mode of transporation. A number of people derided Musk’s white paper as cartoonish and vague. I don't remember 'cartoonish' being a popular criticism but it was certainly vague. Musk vowed to prove the naysayers wrong by building an actual physical prototype, but that’s not expected to arrive for years. I don't remember him vowing anything except to NOT build and to maybe build a prototype, if he found time. Meanwhile, ... Ansys (ANSS), ... has fed the Hyperloop specifications into a computer and come away impressed. “I don’t immediately see any red flags,” AFAIK, none of the criticism was directed toward the physics or theory of the principle. It was the pragmatism that got the guffaws. I wonder if their computer tested for that. Rob Lister Posts: 22960 Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:15 pm Title: Incipient toppler Location: Swimming in Lake Ed ### Re: hyperloop Back in the news. http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/12/ ... e-reality/ Notable quote Students from around the world working on the project now have stock options in the company. Ahlborn says within about 10 years and with about$16 billion Hyperloop could become a reality.
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But will there be free transfers to the space elevator?
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