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I think here in the U.S., boarding a HSR is going to be as tedious as boarding a jet.

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Does Ab-bull think HSR is going to be cheaper or faster than that, even if it had only half the security? Even if you stipulate the 3-hour cab ride that exists only in the mind of an insane person.

And lest we forget

Cost of building out that HSR: Double-digit billions estimate and double it again actual
Cost of adding flights to existing Airport: Zero.

Not to mention,...
google wrote:Cost: The lowest fare found on Acela Express was $198 roundtrip from New York to Boston, and $98 roundtrip on the slower regional service. From Washington D.C. to Boston, we found $314 roundtrip on Acela and $140 roundtrip on the regional train.
Does anyone think the round trip ticket for the newly construct $100 billion HSR is going to be cheaper than the existing Acela Express? Of course not. But on the upside, HSR will only take ~twice or trice as long as flying and cost only 5 or 6 times as much. Hey, maybe they can hire James Kerasiotes to head up the construction.
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More hyperloop nonsense.
Thursday Hyperloop One executives announced that they've finished constructing their 1,640-foot-long "DevLoop" test track in the desert outside Las Vegas. But they also revealed possible U.S. routes for their high-speed transportation solution "to initiate a nationwide conversation about the future of American transportation" -- five of them suggested by state transportation department officials from Texas, Florida, Colorado, Nevada and Missouri.
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/17/04/0 ... test-track

A star trek type transporter and warp drive will happen before this is ever deployed. Roughly 4/5th's of Slashdot contributors think it is wondrously likely. The remaining 1/5th can't type because they're double-facepalming.

If they're truly going to test this thing, breach the tube anywhere along its length while a 'pod' is moving through it. They'll be a 15 PSI wall of air moving through the tube at roughly 400 mph.

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http://www.atomicarchive.com/Effects/effects4.shtml

It will utterly obliterate the pod and all's it's passengers. You'd have a difficult time finding pieces of human meat bigger than a baseball.
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Rob Lister wrote:If they're truly going to test this thing, breach the tube anywhere along its length while a 'pod' is moving through it. They'll be a 15 PSI wall of air moving through the tube at roughly 400 mph.
That's only true for a catastrophic total failure breach where all or most of the cross section of the tube is exposed to the air - even then the effects would fade away a few tens of miles along the tube after the flow resistance of the tube has enough length to become effective.

For a 'small crack or small hole' type of breach the effects would be much less dramatic and scary.

But I agree with you that there is no way this is going to be built for the foreseeable future - it would require the economy to change beyond recognition before it might ever become cost effective, even if the safety and practicality issues could be overcome.
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There is this

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Got a bud who is trying to commercialize the cat, brought up to date of course. Has a lot going for it between cities that are near the H2O.

Flew on one once from St. Thomas to San Juan, fun experience.
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ed wrote:...brought up to date of course. Has a lot going for it between cities that are near the H2O.
The Italians are noted for their design flair when it comes to flying boats. I give you the Caproni Ca.60

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Needs more missile launchers.

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Righto!

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Spoiler:
In early 1970s in Russia there were tests of trains that had jet plane engines.

Its maximum speed was around 249 km/h (around 155 mph). And it had engines from Yak-40 passenger jet plane.
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hyperloop traffic jam

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But solar freakin' roadways, people!

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Richard Branson, founder of Virgin, has invested an undisclosed amount of Virgin's funds in Hyperloop One. It must be a pretty big investment as Branson now has a seat on the board of the Hyperloop company and it's been rebranded as Virgin Hyperloop One.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-41595297
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More evidence that being a billionaire isn't always evidence of smarts. The hyperloop is a pipe dream, not a serious business proposition.
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Anaxagoras wrote:The hyperloop is a pipe dream. . . .
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I accidentally made a funny! ;)
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India announces plans for its own 250mph Hyperloop transport system that will travel 25 miles in just SIX MINUTES
http://kuwaitpage.online/blog-info/949/ ... ix-minutes

But how will they cling to the carriages? :mrgreen:
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With handcuffs of course.
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Taxpayer money is being thrown at this nonsense.

The Hyperloop Pipe Dream
Cities and states are throwing money at a nonexistent mode of transportation.

For American lawmakers, funding public transit often feels like small ball. Politicians prefer to dream bigger. Earlier this month, transportation agencies in the Cleveland region and in Illinois announced they would co-sponsor a $1.2 million study of a “hyperloop” connecting Cleveland to Chicago, cutting a 350-mile journey to just half an hour. It’s the fourth public study of the nonexistent transportation mode to be undertaken in the past three months.

“Ohio is defined by its history of innovation and adventure,” said Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who once canceled a $400 million Obama-era grant for high-speed rail in the state. “A hyperloop in Ohio would build upon that heritage.” In January, a bipartisan group of Rust Belt representatives wrote to President Trump to ask for $20 million in federal funding for a Hyperloop Transportation Initiative, a Department of Transportation division that would regulate and fund a travel mode with no proof of concept.

It’s hard to keep up: Last week, the Mid-Ohio Regional Planning Commission announced feasibility and environmental-impact studies for a different hyperloop route, connecting Pittsburgh and Chicago through Columbus, Ohio, to be run by a different company, Virgin Hyperloop One. The company—which fired a pod through a tube at 240 mph in December—is also studying routes in Missouri and Colorado.* Meanwhile, Elon Musk—who has obtained (contested) tunneling permission from Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan—pulled a permit from the District of Columbia for a future hyperloop station.

But let’s first look at the hyperloop that Grace Gallucci, the head of the Cleveland regional planning association the Northeast Ohio Areawide Coordinating Agency (NOACA), told local radio could be running to Chicago in three to five years, and to the study of which the NOACA contributed $600,000.

The company behind it, Hyperloop Transportation Technologies, is one of a handful of U.S. entities that have emerged since Elon Musk first introduced the idea in 2012. In a promotional clip for the Great Lakes Hyperloop that plays like a sequel to Chrysler’s Detroit Super Bowl commercial, a gravelly voice intones that this is not a dream, as b-roll footage of factories is cut with aerial footage of what can only be construction of an oil-and-gas pipeline. “We’ve already got a prototype,” the narrator instructs.
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They don’t. Andrea La Mendola, the company’s chief global operations officer and chief engineering council member, told me there is no full-scale prototype just yet. The company says it is building one now in the southern French city of Toulouse. “In terms of full-scale, all-integration, it will [be the first prototype],” he said. “We will start with 400 meters. Then we go up to 1 kilometer, and possibly 1.6 kilometers—if we add a curve at the end.”

I’m no engineer, but if the company wants to blast humans at the speed of sound for hundreds of miles across the American Midwest, maybe they should build the curve. A few of them.

La Mendola isn’t an engineer either. Before joining HTT as its chief global operating officer and a member of its chief engineering council, La Mendola was working as a filmmaker. He has a master’s degree in engineering—media and cinema engineering. It’s a well-deployed skill set: What Hyperloop Transportation Technologies lacks in nuts and bolts, it more than makes up for in Hollywood flair. The pods will be coated in “Vibranium,” a rebranded carbon fiber whose name you may recognize from Black Panther.

The company’s co-founders have similarly little experience in transportation or infrastructure. Bibop Gresta, HTT’s chairman, is an entertainer-turned-entrepreneur with a string of content and media ventures to his name. Dirk Ahlborn, the CEO and a self-described serial entrepreneur, founded JumpStartFund, a platform to crowdsource entrepreneurial projects—including this one.
But they got a great commercial!
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It is not as if Cleveland and Chicago do not have money to burn.

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Beware that "Hyperloop" begins with "hype".

This YouTuber, who's made many very good accurate videos about vacuum-related things here gives a devastating critique of the whole concept.

[bbvideo=560,315]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFesa01llk[/bbvideo]
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The Boring Company wrote:To solve the problem of soul-destroying traffic, roads must go 3D, which means either flying cars or tunnels. Unlike flying cars, tunnels are weatherproof, out of sight and won't fall on your head. A large network of tunnels many levels deep would fix congestion in any city, no matter how large it grew (just keep adding levels). The key to making this work is increasing tunneling speed and dropping costs by a factor of 10 or more – this is the goal of The Boring Company. Fast to dig, low cost tunnels would also make Hyperloop adoption viable and enable rapid transit across densely populated regions, enabling travel from New York to Washington DC in less than 30 minutes.
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Not a hyperloop, but something that may actually happen before the end of this decade:

'Like a movie warp scene': Experiencing 500 kph on Japan's new maglev train
JR Central on Oct. 19 unveiled its new maglev bullet train, whizzing reporters along an experimental track at speeds of up to 500 kilometers per hour, as work forges ahead on the Chuo Shinkansen Line that is set to link Tokyo and Nagoya in as little as 40 minutes.

Mainichi reporter Keisuke Umeda was among those to experience the high-speed ride in a newly improved car on the Linear Chuo Shinkansen train. Below is an overview of the service and his experience.

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The 42.8-kilometer-long experimental track runs between the Yamanashi Prefecture cities of Uenohara and Fuefuki in central Japan. JR Central hopes to start commercial maglev operations in 2027. And to that end it has run up a total of some 3.19 million kilometers -- about 80 times the Earth's circumference -- on the test track since its completion in 1997. It says the maglev technology was ready by 2017, but the firm is making improvements to enhance the comfort of the trains. It has been testing its latest train cars since August this year.
From the photos in the article, which I cannot embed, you can see that it actually reached 500 kph with reporters on board. That's 310 mph, by the way. Elon Musk was claiming his hyperloop would go up to 760 mph, but there's no working prototype that I'm aware of, and this maglev train is already built and has a 42 km (26 mile) test track and can actually attain this speed. It's basically ready to go once they build the tunnels and tracks. That'll take time, but they've already begun work.

I would like to see a video of it from the front of the train, but I didn't find one.
JR Central has received government investment and loans relating to the maglev project to the tune of 3 trillion yen.
That converts into about $30 billion USD.
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This isn't about the hyperloop. It's about the hype around this project by Elon Musk's Boring Company.



Among the problems, it seems that the tunnels these cars go through are so small, that you can't actually open the car doors and get out of the vehicle in the middle of the tunnel if you need to. Many other issues.
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Still bilking millions for millions.

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